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‘Ghostbusters’ Is a Perfect Example of How Internet Movie Ratings Are Broken

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The new ghostbusters movie looks awful - it's not a thing about women leads, it's that it looks really bad in a way the original isn't. I know that's subjective, but watch the trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3ugHP-yZXw Just bad. There are a lot of bad movies, but this one walks around in the corpse of a much loved and nostalgic intellectual property that a bunch of people wanted. They got that. Is this real…

I find that trailers are almost always a bad reflection on the movie.

- Sometimes the trailer is great, and the movie sucks.

- Sometimes the trailer sucks, and the movie is great.

- Sometimes the trailer sucks, and the movie sucks for totally different reasons

But very rarely do I see a trailer, and then watch the movie and think "oh yeah, the trailer captured that pretty well".

The fact that the trailer looks bad (and it does!), tells me very little about what the movie will be like, except for highlighting which actors are in it, and triggering my personal responses to those actors (I'm personally not a fan of Melissa McCarthy).

[edited to add, because I forgot]

> Is this really about sexism?

The fact that people don't like the trailer? No.

The fact that so many people are going out of their way to rip into a movie they haven't seen, in ways that are more caustic than they would typically be for an unsatisfying reboot/sequel that hadn't switch the gender roles? Yes, I think that is based on sexism.

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I won't argue that an average score on its own doesn't provide you with information about the diversity of opinion that led to that average, I'm sure we could do better in this regard. Perhaps something like Amazon does with the graphical representation showing how many people gave each star rating on a product review. What I do have two problems with is the framing of this article when it comes to the new Ghostbuste…

No, main problem is its another effing REBOOT hijacking original name.

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I actually agree with much of the articles reasoning, other than the title, and everything about Ghostbusters:

> More specifically, a vocal portion of men on the internet — shall we say — go out of their way to make their voices heard when it comes to judging entertainment aimed at women, and that appears to be happening with the new “Ghostbusters.”

The thing with the new Ghostbusters has nothing to do with them being women. I'd see Bridesmaids 2 or any other comedy with Kristen Wiig (probably have), and I like Paul Feig fine.

The problem with the new Ghostbusters is that it's not Ghostbusters, not that it's necessarily a bad comedy.

The old Ghostbusters is shot and built up as a dark disaster movie, that just happens to be really funny. The new one is a Paul Feig movie (again, not knocking). It doesn't fit.

I noticed the same thing in the last season of Veep when Ianucci left. Instead of it shot more like an Office-type documentary (without the interviews, like its predecessor The Thick of It), if you look at the Christmas episode (of Veep) as the clearest example, it's shot like any other honestly mediocre sitcom, with saturated colors and honestly phoned in jokes.

Sorry about the tirade, but as a guy who does like good female media (Broad City and Lady Dynamite are my latest favorites), seeing this argument be made with terrible examples is unfortunate.

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The new ghostbusters movie looks awful - it's not a thing about women leads, it's that it looks really bad in a way the original isn't. I know that's subjective, but watch the trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3ugHP-yZXw Just bad. There are a lot of bad movies, but this one walks around in the corpse of a much loved and nostalgic intellectual property that a bunch of people wanted. They got that. Is this real…

  it's not a thing about women leads, it's that it looks
  really bad in a way the original isn't
If the article was just about negative reviews from professional reviewers who had seen the film, sure.

But if there are 12,000 reviews when the film isn't out in cinemas yet? That sounds like a symptom of activism by people who haven't seen the film.

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post #13

The last "movie" I enjoyed was Terminator 2. Not too long after that, I realised that I had seen all possible combinations of ways that you can tell a story in 90 minutes. Music Industry and Film Industry have essentially just become about personalities and big money. They can peddle garbage because everyone buys it. I just hope that books are not next because that is all that remains of quality entertainment.

Have you considered looking towards foreign films, which may have a different way of telling a story? Some were popular in the US, like Amélie and Pan's Labyrinth, and of course there's the Academy Award winners and nominees for Best Foreign Language Film.

Less popular ones include those listed at http://the-artifice.com/best-foreign-films-last-15-years/ , like Run Lola Run/Lola rennt, Noi the Albino/Nói albínói, Moolaadé, Second Skin/Segunda Piel and The Celebration/Festen.

No Hollywood film has covered female genital mutilation, which is the topic of Moolaadé, and Festen is part of the Dogme 95 movement,"to create filmmaking based on the traditional values of story, acting, and theme, and excluding the use of elaborate special effects or technology."

There's also Russian Ark/Русский ковчег, which is a single, uninterrupted, 87-minute take through centuries of Russian history while going through the Winter Palace at the Hermitage Museum. Or any number of other lists of notable foreign films, like http://www.salon.com/2015/01/24/7_must_see_foreign_films_tha... or http://www.bfi.org.uk/news-opinion/news-bfi/lists/10-great-f... .

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post #15
post #13

The last "movie" I enjoyed was Terminator 2. Not too long after that, I realised that I had seen all possible combinations of ways that you can tell a story in 90 minutes. Music Industry and Film Industry have essentially just become about personalities and big money. They can peddle garbage because everyone buys it. I just hope that books are not next because that is all that remains of quality entertainment.

There's only seven possible plots for books, so I guess they're over too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seven_Basic_Plots

I would find it very hard to fit e.g. the Song of Ice and Fire into any of the 7 categories without moving the goalposts.

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post #10

The new ghostbusters movie looks awful - it's not a thing about women leads, it's that it looks really bad in a way the original isn't. I know that's subjective, but watch the trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3ugHP-yZXw Just bad. There are a lot of bad movies, but this one walks around in the corpse of a much loved and nostalgic intellectual property that a bunch of people wanted. They got that. Is this real…

The movie looks really bad but as someone who saw the movie, it's actually pretty good and funny. The quatuor works perfectly, there is no feminism message at all, it's just a good comedy. Maybe it won't be your type of humor, but this is not a bad movie in any way. People are just rating the movie without seeing it, which is pretty stupid in the first place. Because of that I expect the score to be much higher, hope…

Simply casting typically male roles (comedic lead, scientist, etc.) with female actors is feminist. The movie doesn't need to have a feminist "message" to be feminist. Note: when I say feminist I mean that entirely as a good thing.

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>Essentially, male users were more likely to rate television shows with a female-heavy audience lower than female users would rate male-centric television lower.

If you look at the gender breakdown on imdb for movies that have been out for a while (meaning that people have actually have had the time to watch them), it seems like the differences between the genders are nowhere near as big as for the new ghostbusters movie. The original Ghostbusters for example is 7.8 (m) vs 7.6 (f) [0]. It doesn't look like imdb provides the gender breakdown of votes in their publicly available dataset[1], but it would be interesting to see someone preform a more rigorous analysis (than me looking at movies I can remember at the top of my head).

[0] http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087332/ratings-male

[1] http://www.imdb.com/interfaces/

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post #23

I actually agree with much of the articles reasoning, other than the title, and everything about Ghostbusters: > More specifically, a vocal portion of men on the internet — shall we say — go out of their way to make their voices heard when it comes to judging entertainment aimed at women, and that appears to be happening with the new “Ghostbusters.” The thing with the new Ghostbusters has nothing to do with them bein…

But... have you actually seen the new Ghostbusters movie?

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post #16

I don't buy that Ghostbusters success will hinge on the gender of the lead actors - the leads in the new film have a lot to live up to in Dan Aykroyd and Bill Murray.

The trick is the controversy. I know a lot of people who absolutely love Total Recall. There was a remake a few years ago, and it was bad (like everyone expected). People saw it or didnt, and nobody complained about it "ruining their childhood" or publicly boycotted it. I can't help but feel the different reaction is due to the gender recasting.
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