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Re: Chelsea Manning confirms health status with attorneys

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Post by mhluongo » Tue, Jul 12, 2016, 1:23 AM UTC

foota wrote: post #11

ams6110 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Transgenders have an alarmingly high suicide rate even without those factors piled on.

Hopefully not too off topic, but I believe the preferred nomenclature is more along the lines of "People who are transgender" (though I could be wrong and would appreciate someone saying so)

"Person-first language" is a thing in special education- I wouldn't be surprised if that were preferred here. The idea behind it is that the adjective isn't the defining attribute of the person.

Re: Chelsea Manning confirms health status with attorneys

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Post by PhasmaFelis » Tue, Jul 12, 2016, 1:24 AM UTC

Swizec wrote: post #2

This part seems a little bit ironic "Though she would have preferred to keep her private information private". Is that not why she's come into the public eye? For releasing private information that some people would have preferred to keep private? This isn't a comment on whether her leak was the right thing to do or not, just the whole "Treat others like you want others to treat you".

You have confused human rights with governmental rights.

Re: Chelsea Manning confirms health status with attorneys

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Post by aetherson » Tue, Jul 12, 2016, 1:27 AM UTC

grizzles wrote: post #15

This really puts the whole Hillary Clinton email scandal into perspective, huh? The message seems to be that if you leak classified data to the American people you get a big punishment, whereas if you leak classified data carelessly (Clinton) or for your girlfriend's book (Petraeus) the most you can expect is a slap on the wrist. That's f ed up.

It is f ed up, but that's not the message.

The message is that if you're a powerful person in DC, and if your leaks are not intended to embarrass or shame the big power structures of DC, you can expect a slap on the wrist.

Re: Chelsea Manning confirms health status with attorneys

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Post by droopyEyelids » Tue, Jul 12, 2016, 1:27 AM UTC

rdl wrote: post #7

When you write a letter to someone facing 20+ years more in prison, who has just tried to kill herself, what do you say? I'm kind of at a loss for words -- "hope you get well soon?" "hope you are out of the hospital and back to your, uh, home soon?" https://www.chelseamanning.org/learn-more/write-to-chelsea-m...

When the whole official world is against you, it'd be comforting to hear that there are people, even if strangers, who believe in you and appreciate you.

Re: Chelsea Manning confirms health status with attorneys

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Post by grizzles » Tue, Jul 12, 2016, 1:29 AM UTC

sparky_z wrote: post #20

grizzles wrote: post #15

This really puts the whole Hillary Clinton email scandal into perspective, huh? The message seems to be that if you leak classified data to the American people you get a big punishment, whereas if you leak classified data carelessly (Clinton) or for your girlfriend's book (Petraeus) the most you can expect is a slap on the wrist. That's f ed up.

To be fair, it's pretty standard for crimes to have differing punishments depending on whether they were accidental or purposeful. Sometimes they're even considered different crimes entirely (i.e., murder vs manslaughter). (I'm not defending Chelsea's treatment here. I just think it's odd that grizzles has singled out this particular aspect of the situation as worthy of outrage.)

Petraeus did it for sex. He got a fine, and no prison time.

Re: Chelsea Manning confirms health status with attorneys

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Post by grizzles » Tue, Jul 12, 2016, 1:32 AM UTC

aetherson wrote: post #23

grizzles wrote: post #15

This really puts the whole Hillary Clinton email scandal into perspective, huh? The message seems to be that if you leak classified data to the American people you get a big punishment, whereas if you leak classified data carelessly (Clinton) or for your girlfriend's book (Petraeus) the most you can expect is a slap on the wrist. That's f ed up.

It is f ed up, but that's not the message. The message is that if you're a powerful person in DC, and if your leaks are not intended to embarrass or shame the big power structures of DC, you can expect a slap on the wrist.

That's exactly what I said, yo. Just formulated a different way. So much for the 14th amendment.

Re: Chelsea Manning confirms health status with attorneys

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Post by serge2k » Tue, Jul 12, 2016, 1:37 AM UTC

themartorana wrote: post #8

Is anyone surprised she's suicidal? Locked in solitary confinement, for a minimum of 8 years (probably a lot more), at the hands of an obviously vindictive government - I imagine that by now I would have tried to kill myself too.

> Locked in solitary confinement

I thought she was out of solitary?

Re: Chelsea Manning confirms health status with attorneys

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Post by les9 » Tue, Jul 12, 2016, 1:49 AM UTC

grizzles wrote: post #26

aetherson wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is f ed up, but that's not the message. The message is that if you're a powerful person in DC, and if your leaks are not intended to embarrass or shame the big power structures of DC, you can expect a slap on the wrist.

That's exactly what I said, yo. Just formulated a different way. So much for the 14th amendment.

No one want's the lion to kill the gazelle. But they do. Get over it Mr. Jefferson - as someone said before the declaration was drafted.

Re: Chelsea Manning confirms health status with attorneys

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Post by rdl » Tue, Jul 12, 2016, 1:53 AM UTC

DasIch wrote: post #12

rdl wrote: post #7

When you write a letter to someone facing 20+ years more in prison, who has just tried to kill herself, what do you say? I'm kind of at a loss for words -- "hope you get well soon?" "hope you are out of the hospital and back to your, uh, home soon?" https://www.chelseamanning.org/learn-more/write-to-chelsea-m...

How about not touching on that at all? Surely she hears more than enough on that already and is confronted with it when she's not reading about it also. Something that has nothing to do with her and her current situation, something that allows her to escape her situation at least in her mind for a little bit, would probably be welcome. If I were in that situation, I believe I would appreciate that anyway.

Probably a good idea. Yan wrote about her visit and she seemed interested in current affairs/etc. (plus writes articles, including one which went out on 3 July)

Re: Chelsea Manning confirms health status with attorneys

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Post by nickpsecurity » Tue, Jul 12, 2016, 2:19 AM UTC

grizzles wrote: post #15

This really puts the whole Hillary Clinton email scandal into perspective, huh? The message seems to be that if you leak classified data to the American people you get a big punishment, whereas if you leak classified data carelessly (Clinton) or for your girlfriend's book (Petraeus) the most you can expect is a slap on the wrist. That's f ed up.

That's not what it says at all. Manning dumped all kinds of unredacted, classified information on an organization that's an enemy of the United States. These actions say a random, Army private doing something that foolish and damaging will get punished severely. It's obvious that his intentional leaks of all the war files and State cables were far more severe than someone just getting email working despite policy.