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C14, the Secure Cold Storage Platform, for Free During the Summer

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Re: C14, the Secure Cold Storage Platform, for Free During the Summer

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Post by reacweb »

boulos wrote: post #8
sargun wrote: post #6

Does anyone know about a bare metal provider like Scaleway / Online.net in the US? I have no problem with the EU, other than the speed of light.

Digital Ocean is arguably kind of close. SoftLayer and Rackspace are the biggest players in this space, but unlike Scaleway there's no way to start at $10/month. Why do you feel like you need bare metal though? Disclosure: I work on Compute Engine, and we don't offer bare metal (so of course I'm trying to sell you on virtualized offerings).

scaleway is 3.59€ for arm bare metal. I love it ;-)

Re: C14, the Secure Cold Storage Platform, for Free During the Summer

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Post by extra88 »

masklinn wrote: post #17
rsync wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I can't imagine an S3/GCS bucket restriction like that, so I'm curious how customers will be expected to work around it." Amazon S3 has a 5TB object size limit and only 5GB (!) can be uploaded in a single PUT[1]. Different limits, but still something people have to work around. An actual filesystem on ZFS makes all of these limits disappear. Does anyone offer cloud storage based on that ? Man, that would be awesome.…

> An actual filesystem on ZFS makes all of these limits disappear. Does anyone offer cloud storage based on that ? rsync.net advertises > a ZFS filesystem, accessible with any SSH/SFTP tool, running on a UNIX system. You're paying for that though, rsync.net starts at 8c/GB/month (for 10+TB), the smallest offering (under 1TB) is 20c/GB/month), by comparison S3 is 2.75c to 3c/GB/month in standard storage (and 1.25c/GB/…

Apparently you didn't notice who you were replying to.

rsync.net charges more for data at rest but they don't charge for downloads which is a significant savings for some use-cases. Also note that AWS's IA storage has a $0.01/GB retrieval charge on top of their standard data transfer out charges.

Re: C14, the Secure Cold Storage Platform, for Free During the Summer

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Post by swinglock »

Why is there a charge for deleting data? If I want to stop using the service or just lower the storage charge, I need to pay for that? Scrubbing I can understand if scrubbing is not mandatory, but deleting should just be marking data as free to overwrite so someone else can be charged.

Re: C14, the Secure Cold Storage Platform, for Free During the Summer

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Post by 0xmohit »

swinglock wrote: post #23

Why is there a charge for deleting data? If I want to stop using the service or just lower the storage charge, I need to pay for that? Scrubbing I can understand if scrubbing is not mandatory, but deleting should just be marking data as free to overwrite so someone else can be charged.

I'm not speaking on behalf of C14 or similar service, but the charge for deleting data isn't very new. Quoting from http://aws.amazon.com/s3/pricing/

  For objects that are archived to Glacier, there is a pro-rated charge of $0.021 per gigabyte for objects deleted prior to 90 days.

  Objects that are in Standard – Infrequent Access have a minimum 30 days of storage, and objects that are deleted, overwritten, or transitioned to a different storage class before 30 days incur a pro-rated charge equal to the storage charge for the remaining days.
The difference that I see here is that C14 appears to charge for deletion regardless of the access.

Maybe it's a way on ensuring income for a certain duration on capacity freed up by way of such deletes.

Re: C14, the Secure Cold Storage Platform, for Free During the Summer

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Post by mikmak »

amaks wrote: post #25

Do they offer end-to-end encryption? If they use ZFS I assume they should have checksums that detect data corruption.

well kind of yes I guess, protocols to transfer from your side to C14 platform is fully encrypted (SSH/FTPS ...) then it's encrypted by the C14 platform itself to the end-storage backends

Mik

Re: C14, the Secure Cold Storage Platform, for Free During the Summer

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Post by amaks »

mikmak wrote: post #26
amaks wrote: post #25

Do they offer end-to-end encryption? If they use ZFS I assume they should have checksums that detect data corruption.

well kind of yes I guess, protocols to transfer from your side to C14 platform is fully encrypted (SSH/FTPS ...) then it's encrypted by the C14 platform itself to the end-storage backends Mik

I've been primarily concerned if they store data encrypted at rest, with my own key.

Re: C14, the Secure Cold Storage Platform, for Free During the Summer

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Post by mikmak »

amaks wrote: post #27
mikmak wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

well kind of yes I guess, protocols to transfer from your side to C14 platform is fully encrypted (SSH/FTPS ...) then it's encrypted by the C14 platform itself to the end-storage backends Mik

I've been primarily concerned if they store data encrypted at rest, with my own key.

yes every bit is encrypted with AES-256-CBC, we provide the encryption key which you must keep to restore

Mik

Re: C14, the Secure Cold Storage Platform, for Free During the Summer

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Post by tw04 »

rsync wrote: post #14
boulos wrote: post #3

From their FAQ: > Where is my data stored? > Your data will be stored in our fallout shelter, located 25 meters under the ground in Paris, France, starting in September 2016. So where is it for now? And like Backblaze, a single site storage solution means you should only consider this as an extra backup (not primary storage). There's a note that in September they'll also be expanding to offer multisite, but don't hav…

"I can't imagine an S3/GCS bucket restriction like that, so I'm curious how customers will be expected to work around it." Amazon S3 has a 5TB object size limit and only 5GB (!) can be uploaded in a single PUT[1]. Different limits, but still something people have to work around. An actual filesystem on ZFS makes all of these limits disappear. Does anyone offer cloud storage based on that ? Man, that would be awesome.…

Yes, Joyent with Manta. Not sure if that was just a setup for them, or an actual question.

https://www.joyent.com/manta

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