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Fatigue Is a Brain-Derived Emotion that Regulates to Ensure Protection (2012)

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Re: Fatigue Is a Brain-Derived Emotion that Regulates to Ensure Protection (2012)

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Post by halayli »

gwern wrote: post #10

'Protection' might be the goal of physical fatigue, but it doesn't work for intellectual effort - what are you being 'protected from breaking' by not being able to write another line of code? Carpal tunnel? In that case, it looks more like it's about conserving energy or rotating to another task after having spent so much time on one task: "A Meta-Analysis of Blood Glucose Effects on Human Decision Making" http://www…

What about mental fatigue? The more you workout your brain the more it needs to rest. How would you like your brain to tell you that it needs to rest other than feeling fatigue?

I find myself consistently productive over long spans without a burnout effect when I am sleeping at consistent hours, and working for consistent hours a day. When I overwork my productivity becomes inconsistent so I stopped doing that. I learnt it the hard way that late night coding is a short-term investment with negative return in the long run.

My personal theory is that our brains like consistency and adapt/tune to it over time. Just like when you jog every day, if you run for too long one day and too short the other day it cannot adapt/tune itself to a semi-random pattern.

Re: Fatigue Is a Brain-Derived Emotion that Regulates to Ensure Protection (2012)

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Post by liquidise »

"Fatigue makes cowards of us all" is a famous quote supposedly from Vince Lombardi, though it has also attributed to other significant people (as famous quotes often are).

Regardless of the speaker, the overlap with the headline is remarkable.

Re: Fatigue Is a Brain-Derived Emotion that Regulates to Ensure Protection (2012)

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Post by kordless »

halayli wrote: post #21
gwern wrote: post #10

'Protection' might be the goal of physical fatigue, but it doesn't work for intellectual effort - what are you being 'protected from breaking' by not being able to write another line of code? Carpal tunnel? In that case, it looks more like it's about conserving energy or rotating to another task after having spent so much time on one task: "A Meta-Analysis of Blood Glucose Effects on Human Decision Making" http://www…

What about mental fatigue? The more you workout your brain the more it needs to rest. How would you like your brain to tell you that it needs to rest other than feeling fatigue? I find myself consistently productive over long spans without a burnout effect when I am sleeping at consistent hours, and working for consistent hours a day. When I overwork my productivity becomes inconsistent so I stopped doing that. I lea…

More specifically, mental fatigue is a result of dissonance. Working on your dissonance builds a strong and quiet mind.

Re: Fatigue Is a Brain-Derived Emotion that Regulates to Ensure Protection (2012)

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Post by bootload »

"conscious mental decisions made by winners and losers, in both training and competition, are the ultimate determinants of both fatigue and athletic performance."

A favoutite quote of mine: "You have to make a sustained 'conscious effort', to win."

Re: Fatigue Is a Brain-Derived Emotion that Regulates to Ensure Protection (2012)

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Post by mrexroad »

My first thought was, "oh, reminds me of the SEAL's 40% rule... so if they're trained to ignore that limit, why don't they get hurt?" Then, in first google result [1], I read this:

“I first met “SEAL” at a 100-mile run in San Diego and I was running this race as part of a six-person relay team with friends and he was running the entire race by himself,” Itzler said.

“Who is this guy? I’ve never seen anything like it. And during the race, I kept an eye on him and around mile 70 — he weighed probably 260 pounds, which is quite large for an ultra runner — he had broken all the small bones in both of his feet and had kidney damage and he finished the race.”

So... yeah, this makes Me think maybe I'll try harder at listening to my body (fwiw, I've screwed up arms/hands twice in past decade by pushing through fatigue).

[1] http://thehustle.co/40-percent-rule-navy-seal-secret-mental-...

Re: Fatigue Is a Brain-Derived Emotion that Regulates to Ensure Protection (2012)

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Post by ArkyBeagle »

mrexroad wrote: post #25

My first thought was, "oh, reminds me of the SEAL's 40% rule... so if they're trained to ignore that limit, why don't they get hurt?" Then, in first google result [1], I read this: “I first met “SEAL” at a 100-mile run in San Diego and I was running this race as part of a six-person relay team with friends and he was running the entire race by himself,” Itzler said. “Who is this guy? I’ve never seen anything like it.…

Where does this come from in the larger culture? I can see why people who are soldiers or ... athletes at the varsity or pro level might be interested in it but why would anyone want to basically injure themselves as a ... hobby?

I've worked with runners who had serious injury, soccer players who came in with bruises that you'd associate with a severe beating... I'm thinking "geez, it's gonna suck when you're 62." Because when you lose some amount of basic mobility, you lose a lot of the ability to stay healthy when you're older.

Is this because of Mountain Dew commercials and 1980s GI Joe body image stuff?

Re: Fatigue Is a Brain-Derived Emotion that Regulates to Ensure Protection (2012)

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Post by mathattack »

mrexroad wrote: post #25

My first thought was, "oh, reminds me of the SEAL's 40% rule... so if they're trained to ignore that limit, why don't they get hurt?" Then, in first google result [1], I read this: “I first met “SEAL” at a 100-mile run in San Diego and I was running this race as part of a six-person relay team with friends and he was running the entire race by himself,” Itzler said. “Who is this guy? I’ve never seen anything like it.…

Interesting. I've trained with many Seals - they have ungodly cardio. I've never seen any that big, as the extra muscle kills their cardio.

Re: Fatigue Is a Brain-Derived Emotion that Regulates to Ensure Protection (2012)

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Post by lj3 »

ArkyBeagle wrote: post #27
mrexroad wrote: post #25

My first thought was, "oh, reminds me of the SEAL's 40% rule... so if they're trained to ignore that limit, why don't they get hurt?" Then, in first google result [1], I read this: “I first met “SEAL” at a 100-mile run in San Diego and I was running this race as part of a six-person relay team with friends and he was running the entire race by himself,” Itzler said. “Who is this guy? I’ve never seen anything like it.…

Where does this come from in the larger culture? I can see why people who are soldiers or ... athletes at the varsity or pro level might be interested in it but why would anyone want to basically injure themselves as a ... hobby? I've worked with runners who had serious injury, soccer players who came in with bruises that you'd associate with a severe beating... I'm thinking "geez, it's gonna suck when you're 62." Be…

> soccer players who came in with bruises that you'd associate with a severe beating

I was a lacrosse goalie in high school and didn't have the sense to wear shin pads. If you run your fingers along my shin, you'll feel divots where the bone never regenerated. I too used to walk around with bruises on my legs that you'd associate with a severe beating.

> Is this because of Mountain Dew commercials and 1980s GI Joe body image stuff?

It's considerably more primal than that. Sports are the modern equivalent to tribal rites of passage. We're not allowed to kill our rivals anymore, so we settle for beating them in a physical sport in order to establish our physical dominance. It's empowering in a way that few things are, especially as a teenager and extra especially if you were bullied throughout elementary school.

Re: Fatigue Is a Brain-Derived Emotion that Regulates to Ensure Protection (2012)

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Post by ArkyBeagle »

lj3 wrote: post #29
ArkyBeagle wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where does this come from in the larger culture? I can see why people who are soldiers or ... athletes at the varsity or pro level might be interested in it but why would anyone want to basically injure themselves as a ... hobby? I've worked with runners who had serious injury, soccer players who came in with bruises that you'd associate with a severe beating... I'm thinking "geez, it's gonna suck when you're 62." Be…

> soccer players who came in with bruises that you'd associate with a severe beating I was a lacrosse goalie in high school and didn't have the sense to wear shin pads. If you run your fingers along my shin, you'll feel divots where the bone never regenerated. I too used to walk around with bruises on my legs that you'd associate with a severe beating. > Is this because of Mountain Dew commercials and 1980s GI Joe bo…

I was 120 lbs soaking wet when I was 17. The school gently guided me away from sports. Good thing, too. Best coach I ever had.

I graduated high school close to 1980. Sure, there were guys finishing the big game on a broken bone but it seems like there's a lot more emphasis on this now, and it seems more dangerous and higher risk. I have nephews and kids of friends who are electing out of organized sports.

FWIW, I feel lucky - we had basically one bully and he didn't last. Expelled.

I remember in "Brian's Song" where Alex Karrass' character sold cars in the pro football off season.

I dunno; I saw "Bigger, Stronger, Faster" and it gave me pause.

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