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Programming language development: the past 5 years (2011)
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Re: Programming language development: the past 5 years (2011)
#22Kinda sad to see the perpetuation of Go as a "systems-level" programming language. Services-level? Sure. However, until I can manually control memory it's not going to be a low level language I want to use.
I think the meaning was software systems and services, not Operating Systems... though it's always bugged me as well.
Re: Programming language development: the past 5 years (2011)
#23Kinda sad to see the perpetuation of Go as a "systems-level" programming language. Services-level? Sure. However, until I can manually control memory it's not going to be a low level language I want to use.
It is as much system level as Oberon or Mesa/Cedar, both with proofs on how to write a full graphic Workstation with them. As for Go, it is fully bootstraped in itself, including the whole runtime. There are already some bare bones examples at OS Dev http://wiki.osdev.org/Go_Bare_Bones And there are people writing bare metal runtimes for the STM32F4 and STM32L1-Discovery boards. https://sites.google.com/site/embedded…
I can run Javascript on an Arduino does that make it a systems level programming language?
There's so many things missing from Go, from volatile semantics to memory control(good luck getting memory banks on PIC working).
Just because you can do something doesn't mean it's a good fit.
Re: Programming language development: the past 5 years (2011)
#24Re: the Ometa language, a sequel that is hosted on Javascript is Ohm: https://github.com/cdglabs/ohm
Re: Programming language development: the past 5 years (2011)
#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is as much system level as Oberon or Mesa/Cedar, both with proofs on how to write a full graphic Workstation with them. As for Go, it is fully bootstraped in itself, including the whole runtime. There are already some bare bones examples at OS Dev http://wiki.osdev.org/Go_Bare_Bones And there are people writing bare metal runtimes for the STM32F4 and STM32L1-Discovery boards. https://sites.google.com/site/embedded…
I can run Javascript on an Arduino does that make it a systems level programming language? There's so many things missing from Go, from volatile semantics to memory control(good luck getting memory banks on PIC working). Just because you can do something doesn't mean it's a good fit.
> I can run Javascript on an Arduino does that make it a systems level programming language?
Johnny-Five? It isn't running on the Arduino.
A systems programming language is one that is possible to write the whole stack all the way from the boot loader, with a very tiny help from Assembly in the process, like bootloader, interrupt handling, DMA.
The day I am able to write a JavaScript AOT and JIT, in JavaScript, maybe.
As for volatile semantics, many system programming languages in the early days didn't had them as well.
PIC, well. How would you make PIC banks work in a standards compliant ANSI C compiler without language extensions?
With Assembly of course, so can Go.
Also nothing prevents a Go compiler to provide extensions just like what many think of C features for systems programming are actually not part of ANSI C.
Go already has "pragmas" in the form of //go:...... And nothing prevents a Go compliant compiler to provide more.
The code for Xerox Star, ETHZ Oberon, ETHZ EthOs, ETHZ AOS are available for anyone that cares to read them and how it is possible to write a full stack workstation.
Or better yet, getting the 2013 edition of Project Oberon book and building the whole computer, including the motherboard.
Re: Programming language development: the past 5 years (2011)
#26Kinda sad to see the perpetuation of Go as a "systems-level" programming language. Services-level? Sure. However, until I can manually control memory it's not going to be a low level language I want to use.
I think the meaning was software systems and services, not Operating Systems... though it's always bugged me as well.
What features does Oberon have that Go lacks?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oberon_%28programming_language...
Re: Programming language development: the past 5 years (2011)
#27Interesting; I've never heard of most of those besides Go (& Perl of course). Is CoffeeScript considered a programming language? :O
FWIW, the first submitter of this post seems to be Jeremy Ashkenas, who was the creator of CoffeeScript: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3128166 Even if you're being half-facetious...while CoffeeScript seems to have fallen in favor with the onset of ES6, it's hard to overstate its influence in 2011...Rails, which was most definitely the hott framework du jour, decided to make CoffeeScript -- along with the much…
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I did a preliminary search for this topic via google before the post and this previous one hadn't turned up.
Re: Programming language development: the past 5 years (2011)
#28I vividly remember being very excited and optimist about (web?) programming and our community when _why appeared with his posts about Ruby.
Its probably related to my age as well, but I haven't felt that way again for a long time now.