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Comodo has filed for express abandonment of LetsEncrypt trademark applications

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Re: Comodo has filed for express abandonment of LetsEncrypt trademark applications

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Post by cbd1984 »

ademarre wrote: post #13
kstrauser wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm loathe to give him credit for publicly saying the most ridiculous things imaginable from one in his position.

Right. I'm glad he spoke publicly because it shines more light on how ridiculous his position is. He actually tries to justify (or deflect) stealing the Let's Encrypt trademark by claiming LE stole the concept of a 90-day cycle. Ridiculous.

> He actually tries to justify (or deflect) stealing the Let's Encrypt trademark by claiming LE stole the concept of a 90-day cycle. Ridiculous.

You can patent business methods, but saying a 90-day cycle is an "inventive concept" would likely cause a competent attorney to take you to one side and quietly convince you to not point that fifty-caliber BMG at your leg.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_method_patent

Re: Comodo has filed for express abandonment of LetsEncrypt trademark applications

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Post by woodman »

fapjacks wrote: post #18
AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #4

Evidently the company realized they were fighting a losing battle, particularly after the CEO's disastrous response: https://forums.comodo.com/general-discussion-off-topic-anyth...

Tangential, but what in the hell is with the whole thing where company execs refuse to use "I" in a sentence? Read anything typed up by some founder or something, and you see sentence after sentence deliberately omitting self-reference. Here specifically: "If they have right to it then more than happy to comply"... If they have right to it then I am/we are more than happy to comply. Anytime someone posts email corres…

The use of "I" vs "we" has been studied by a lot of people in a lot of different contexts, and intelligent people have arrived at very different conclusions. So I have no idea what a complete lack of attribution means, but I'm leaning towards it being an extreme version of "we". I believe to be an avoidance of personal responsibility and a hamfisted attempt at emotional manipulation, because it has absolutely no influence over logically guided decision making.

Re: Comodo has filed for express abandonment of LetsEncrypt trademark applications

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Post by josephb »

ovt wrote: post #10

Glad they gave up, but calling it collaboration and speaking of thanking is silly bullshit.

Unless we see a statement from ISRG or LetsEncrypt, I'm going to assume "collaboration" means capitulation in the face of Internet pitchforks :)

Re: Comodo has filed for express abandonment of LetsEncrypt trademark applications

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Post by philipov »

woodman wrote: post #23
fapjacks wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tangential, but what in the hell is with the whole thing where company execs refuse to use "I" in a sentence? Read anything typed up by some founder or something, and you see sentence after sentence deliberately omitting self-reference. Here specifically: "If they have right to it then more than happy to comply"... If they have right to it then I am/we are more than happy to comply. Anytime someone posts email corres…

The use of "I" vs "we" has been studied by a lot of people in a lot of different contexts, and intelligent people have arrived at very different conclusions. So I have no idea what a complete lack of attribution means, but I'm leaning towards it being an extreme version of "we". I believe to be an avoidance of personal responsibility and a hamfisted attempt at emotional manipulation, because it has absolutely no infl…

With sentences like 'How is that making internet safer???"' I think a simpler explanation would be that he's Posting On Forums While Drunk.

Re: Comodo has filed for express abandonment of LetsEncrypt trademark applications

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Post by nneonneo »

In the original Comodo forum thread about this issue (where the CEO made some claims about owning the 90-day certificate) there is this new response from a staff member (https://forums.comodo.com/general-discussion-off-topic-anyth...):

> With LE now being an operational business, we were never going to take the these trademark applications any further. Josh posted a link to the application and as of February 8th it was already in a state where it will lapse.

> Josh was wrong when he said we’d “refused to abandon our applications”. We just hadn’t told LE we would leave them to lapse.

> We have now communicated this to LE.

On LE's blog post, they mention that they have repeatedly asked Comodo to abandon the applications since March 2016. If Comodo was going to let the applications lapse as they claim, why not communicate this at the earliest opportunity?

To me this is a dodgy answer at best. I am not so familiar with trademark law, but I don't believe that an application "being in a state where it will lapse" is in any way disarmed - it is my impression that Comodo could simply have opted to continue the process, but is pretending that they wouldn't have in order to avoid bad press.

Re: Comodo has filed for express abandonment of LetsEncrypt trademark applications

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Post by davidgerard »

We are switching our Comodo certs over to Let's Encrypt because certain old Android versions we have to support work with LE certs but not with Comodo. Particularly important for APIs.

The 90 day expiry is a bit of a faff, but we've mostly automated it using acme.sh and automated DNS edits, and now we just need load balancer access (we just moved to new hosts). LE is a godsend and fully up to commercial use in our experience.

After this, there is no way on earth we're giving Comodo money again. I would rather pay Thawte than these bozos.

Re: Comodo has filed for express abandonment of LetsEncrypt trademark applications

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Post by x0x0 »

fapjacks wrote: post #18
AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #4

Evidently the company realized they were fighting a losing battle, particularly after the CEO's disastrous response: https://forums.comodo.com/general-discussion-off-topic-anyth...

Tangential, but what in the hell is with the whole thing where company execs refuse to use "I" in a sentence? Read anything typed up by some founder or something, and you see sentence after sentence deliberately omitting self-reference. Here specifically: "If they have right to it then more than happy to comply"... If they have right to it then I am/we are more than happy to comply. Anytime someone posts email corres…

The name Melih sounds Turkish maybe? I'm too lazy to look. But that's a characteristic esl quirk...

Re: Comodo has filed for express abandonment of LetsEncrypt trademark applications

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Post by DanBC »

philipov wrote: post #26
woodman wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The use of "I" vs "we" has been studied by a lot of people in a lot of different contexts, and intelligent people have arrived at very different conclusions. So I have no idea what a complete lack of attribution means, but I'm leaning towards it being an extreme version of "we". I believe to be an avoidance of personal responsibility and a hamfisted attempt at emotional manipulation, because it has absolutely no infl…

With sentences like 'How is that making internet safer???"' I think a simpler explanation would be that he's Posting On Forums While Drunk.

He's speaking English as a second language.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melih_Abdulhayo%C4%9Flu

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