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“Oculus removed the headset check from the DRM in Oculus Runtime 1.5”

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Re: “Oculus removed the headset check from the DRM in Oculus Runtime 1.5”

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Post by JoshTriplett »

jonny_eh wrote: post #9
mtgx wrote: post #5

Because there was backlash. But I doubt Facebook changed its original intentions of locking down the platform. What happens if Oculus Rift takes 80% of the market? Will it still allow the Vive or other headsets to play nice with Oculus-exclusive games? This is Facebook we're talking about here. Why even take the chance?

Jeez, you can't even give them some credit for doing the right thing?

Doing the right thing in response to backlash suggests that you would rather do the wrong thing, but couldn't get away with it. There are several other VR vendors; this provides at least some motivation to favor another vendor.

Re: “Oculus removed the headset check from the DRM in Oculus Runtime 1.5”

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Post by vonklaus »

jonny_eh wrote: post #9
mtgx wrote: post #5

Because there was backlash. But I doubt Facebook changed its original intentions of locking down the platform. What happens if Oculus Rift takes 80% of the market? Will it still allow the Vive or other headsets to play nice with Oculus-exclusive games? This is Facebook we're talking about here. Why even take the chance?

Jeez, you can't even give them some credit for doing the right thing?

No. This was a loss in the court of public opinion. If I sue my landlord and win, I do not give him/her credit for paying me the damages assessed by the court. In fact, in the above analogy, I would in fact take a debit...

Re: “Oculus removed the headset check from the DRM in Oculus Runtime 1.5”

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Post by [deleted] »

misiti3780 wrote: post #19
asddubs wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

to expand on this a little bit; There were two functions, one that checked whether the occulus headset was connected, and one DRM function. Occulus consolidated those functions into one, in what many assumed to be a move to be able to justify taking down projects like these under the guise of "they break our DRM", which did end up being a talking point against the projects later on. Apparently they reversed this chan…

forgive me for my ignorance here but what is a DRM function ?

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Re: “Oculus removed the headset check from the DRM in Oculus Runtime 1.5”

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Post by Klathmon »

gthtjtkt wrote: post #11

They deserved the backlash for implementing it, and I hope the Rift continues to suffer now that people know Facebook's true intentions. Not to mention how poorly they treated early supporters after the buyout, e.g. stocking Rifts on retail shelves before they'd fulfilled orders for all backers, then telling backers who complained to get a refund and go buy one from a store... They're only doing the "right" thing bec…

I never got the quest for punishment for actions like this.

They did something bad, the community reacted negatively. If they fix the problem, rewarding them is going to make sure it sticks around.

Continuing to "punish" them for something they fixed only sends the message that the fix was pointless and that it would have been better to ignore the problem like so many other companies (including Facebook themselves) do.

Re: “Oculus removed the headset check from the DRM in Oculus Runtime 1.5”

#25

Post by burke »

Klathmon wrote: post #24
gthtjtkt wrote: post #11

They deserved the backlash for implementing it, and I hope the Rift continues to suffer now that people know Facebook's true intentions. Not to mention how poorly they treated early supporters after the buyout, e.g. stocking Rifts on retail shelves before they'd fulfilled orders for all backers, then telling backers who complained to get a refund and go buy one from a store... They're only doing the "right" thing bec…

I never got the quest for punishment for actions like this. They did something bad, the community reacted negatively. If they fix the problem, rewarding them is going to make sure it sticks around. Continuing to "punish" them for something they fixed only sends the message that the fix was pointless and that it would have been better to ignore the problem like so many other companies (including Facebook themselves) d…

> Continuing to "punish" them for something they fixed only sends the message that the fix was pointless

It also sends a message to other companies that things like this aren't forgiven easily, whether or not that's the immediate intent.

Re: “Oculus removed the headset check from the DRM in Oculus Runtime 1.5”

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Post by jdiez17 »

misiti3780 wrote: post #19
asddubs wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

to expand on this a little bit; There were two functions, one that checked whether the occulus headset was connected, and one DRM function. Occulus consolidated those functions into one, in what many assumed to be a move to be able to justify taking down projects like these under the guise of "they break our DRM", which did end up being a talking point against the projects later on. Apparently they reversed this chan…

forgive me for my ignorance here but what is a DRM function ?

The function that checks if you own the game. Which LibreVR didn't have to bypass before they consolidated both functions.

Re: “Oculus removed the headset check from the DRM in Oculus Runtime 1.5”

#27

Post by dawnerd »

burke wrote: post #25
Klathmon wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never got the quest for punishment for actions like this. They did something bad, the community reacted negatively. If they fix the problem, rewarding them is going to make sure it sticks around. Continuing to "punish" them for something they fixed only sends the message that the fix was pointless and that it would have been better to ignore the problem like so many other companies (including Facebook themselves) d…

> Continuing to "punish" them for something they fixed only sends the message that the fix was pointless It also sends a message to other companies that things like this aren't forgiven easily, whether or not that's the immediate intent.

As a consumer it's a trust issue. How can I trust that they wont try to sneak this in some time in the future?

Re: “Oculus removed the headset check from the DRM in Oculus Runtime 1.5”

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Post by faldore »

Vexs wrote: post #14

The checks made no sense in the first place, it's a loose-loose on all ends for occulus. A closed ecosystem basically does not work when it comes to PC gaming, and with hardware this expensive it's not like you could buy the valve-sponsored vive and the rift.

You lost me at loose

Re: “Oculus removed the headset check from the DRM in Oculus Runtime 1.5”

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Post by [deleted] »

burke wrote: post #25
Klathmon wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never got the quest for punishment for actions like this. They did something bad, the community reacted negatively. If they fix the problem, rewarding them is going to make sure it sticks around. Continuing to "punish" them for something they fixed only sends the message that the fix was pointless and that it would have been better to ignore the problem like so many other companies (including Facebook themselves) d…

> Continuing to "punish" them for something they fixed only sends the message that the fix was pointless It also sends a message to other companies that things like this aren't forgiven easily, whether or not that's the immediate intent.

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Re: “Oculus removed the headset check from the DRM in Oculus Runtime 1.5”

#30

Post by cbsmith »

Klathmon wrote: post #24
gthtjtkt wrote: post #11

They deserved the backlash for implementing it, and I hope the Rift continues to suffer now that people know Facebook's true intentions. Not to mention how poorly they treated early supporters after the buyout, e.g. stocking Rifts on retail shelves before they'd fulfilled orders for all backers, then telling backers who complained to get a refund and go buy one from a store... They're only doing the "right" thing bec…

I never got the quest for punishment for actions like this. They did something bad, the community reacted negatively. If they fix the problem, rewarding them is going to make sure it sticks around. Continuing to "punish" them for something they fixed only sends the message that the fix was pointless and that it would have been better to ignore the problem like so many other companies (including Facebook themselves) d…

The general rule of thumb is that trust is easier to lose than to establish, and that punishment should far exceed the crime. Absent that, the "ask forgiveness" strategy tends to take hold, requiring relentless vigilance and generally wasting everyone's time.
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