Europe's robots to become 'electronic persons' under draft plan
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#23It appears the main motivation here is to maintain the same level of taxation on a business that switches from human to robot workers for a significant part of the labour undertaken.
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#24Take for example taxation effects
> 23. Bearing in mind the effects that the development and deployment of robotics and AI might have on employment and, consequently, on the viability of the social security systems of the Member States, consideration should be given to the possible need to introduce corporate reporting requirements on the extent and proportion of the contribution of robotics and AI to the economic results of a company for the purpose of taxation and social security contributions; takes the view that in the light of the possible effects on the labour market of robotics and AI a general basic income should be seriously considered, and invites all Member States to do so;
The underlying issue is that the balance between two factors of production is changing. Robots are capital assets and and workers are human capital. Capital assets are replacing human capital.
There is absolutely no reason to treat robots different from other machinery and introduce new reporting for the purpose of taxation and social security contributions. There are more straight-forward ways to move taxation burden from human capital to capital.
Re: Europe's robots to become 'electronic persons' under draft plan
#25What if the robot becomes CEO?
Re: Europe's robots to become 'electronic persons' under draft plan
#26Corporations have rights of 'artificial persons', which are not identical to rights of 'natural persons'. There are differences, like:
- Corporations can be owned (enslaved), bought and sold. Humans can only be rented (a job, service).
- Corporations have tax advantages (deductions, deferring taxes on foreign income etc.) that regular humans don't have.
- Corporations don't go to prison; they just pay fines when they break the law.
- Corporations can easily become citizens of most other countries through subsidiaries, while humans cannot easily do that.
. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_the_Rights_of_Mother_EarthRe: Europe's robots to become 'electronic persons' under draft plan
#27It appears the main motivation here is to maintain the same level of taxation on a business that switches from human to robot workers for a significant part of the labour undertaken.
One problem with this is that one human is a pretty constant unit of work in a way that one robot isn't. What if one robot can do the work of 1000 humans? Or what if a very cheap robot does 1/100 of a human's work? Under this system it sounds like they would be taxed the same way.
Trivially false; human productivity routinely differs by a factor of thousands to millions.
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#28It appears the main motivation here is to maintain the same level of taxation on a business that switches from human to robot workers for a significant part of the labour undertaken.
What happens when the robots organize labor unions? Will this "electronic person' be allowed to vote for representation? Will they be entitled to medical care (I can't help but think of the Wizard of Oz's Tin Man getting his joints oiled...)
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#30I can't tell what this is supposed to mean. Taxing employers for using robots as if they were human employees might be a good idea. But giving robots 'rights and obligations' as if they were human is totally insane.
The real problem with automation is that it might (or not) increase the inequality in the value of human labour. The solution is income redistribution.