An AI dashcam app designed to rate every driver • Hacker News Board

Re: An AI dashcam app designed to rate every driver

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Post by baldeagle » Mon, Jun 20, 2016, 1:12 AM UTC

btcprint wrote: post #5

tedmiston wrote: post #4

Hopefully this can seed the discussion of privacy implications for tracking a driver's actions, especially tied to the (sort of) unique ID that is their vehicle's license plate. I wonder if they'll be able to tell when someone else is driving your car from the "fingerprint" of their driving style.

There was an article recently about obd2 scanners recording information such as throttle application, brake pressure, etc and after recording information for 15 minutes could determine with X% accuracy who was driving and after 60 minutes of data, could fingerprint who was driving with 97 (or maybe it was 100%?) Accuracy. Pretty interesting stuff

Neat stuff, but I think that particular study had a pretty small sample size (~100). It would work from telling mom from mom or junior, but not so well at picking the zip car driver from a pool of all zip car drivers.

Re: An AI dashcam app designed to rate every driver

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Post by schiffern » Mon, Jun 20, 2016, 1:49 AM UTC

Xeoncross wrote: post #16

aub3bhat wrote: post #2

Great who needs debate around static ALPR (license plate readers) data collection when we will soon have swarm of cars running with connected dashcams. The resolution is already good enough for face recognition on bystanders/people crossing street. Things will get even more interesting once we get self driving cars equipped with omnidirectional video recording capabilities. I am very interested in what can be done, w…

You realize that this kind of power will be banned and put under the control of the government only right? We can't have companies violating privacy like this. Only the government can do that.

>Only the government can do that.

Why would the government want to spend the money and PR capital developing and rolling that out, when they can have a company do it for free, take the heat, chest beat about private enterprise, and then secretly NSL subpoena or crack it and distribute the intelligence to every interested agency, police department, and eventually favored corporate interest (using parallel construction as needed)?

Re: An AI dashcam app designed to rate every driver

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Post by AndrewKemendo » Mon, Jun 20, 2016, 2:00 AM UTC

This looks like an excellent way to build the most robust car tracking eco-system ever.

Re: An AI dashcam app designed to rate every driver

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Post by quietplatypus » Mon, Jun 20, 2016, 2:00 AM UTC

I'm all for this. Especially in Bay Area traffic. It looks like about 95% of the time I get some tailgater because I leave enough room in front of my car to brake. If I dont' want to get tailgated, I end up tailgating. I seriously wish these people would either shape up or stop driving cars altogether.

Re: An AI dashcam app designed to rate every driver

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Post by Casseres » Mon, Jun 20, 2016, 2:15 AM UTC

macintux wrote: post #7

Today I pulled into a turn lane and stopped alongside the car ahead of me to let them know their brake lights were out. Had to honk incessantly to get their attention. Then I waited in the wrong lane (no one behind me) to pull back into my original lane to go straight through the light. Probably would get a demerit from an AI for that maneuver.

Maybe the AI will send them an email telling them their brake light is out, so you wouldn't have to put yourself in that position.

Re: An AI dashcam app designed to rate every driver

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Post by Lxr » Mon, Jun 20, 2016, 2:34 AM UTC

lpage wrote: post #19

Assuming that insurance is correctly priced, buying a policy in any form is negative expected value. The companies that write such policies would slowly bleed dry if that wasn't the case. However, that's irrelevant unless you have the bankroll to withstand tail risk. Given that most people don't, as a society, you pretty much have to make things like auto liability insurance compulsory. If you're a "good driver," as…

> Assuming that insurance is correctly priced, buying a policy in any form is negative expected value

Actually it's quite rare for insurance companies to record an underwriting profit, I believe. Their profit generally comes from investing the pool of premiums. If you invested your premium instead of buying insurance however, then I suppose the expected return would have to be better.

Re: An AI dashcam app designed to rate every driver

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Post by nl » Mon, Jun 20, 2016, 2:35 AM UTC

I've considered building something like this for bikes.

For those who aren't cyclists, there are already informal networks of people who share helmet-cam videos of bad driving behaviour, with people who attempt to read license plates etc

Re: An AI dashcam app designed to rate every driver

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Post by TheSpiceIsLife » Mon, Jun 20, 2016, 2:40 AM UTC

Casseres wrote: post #25

macintux wrote: post #7

Today I pulled into a turn lane and stopped alongside the car ahead of me to let them know their brake lights were out. Had to honk incessantly to get their attention. Then I waited in the wrong lane (no one behind me) to pull back into my original lane to go straight through the light. Probably would get a demerit from an AI for that maneuver.

Maybe the AI will send them an email telling them their brake light is out, so you wouldn't have to put yourself in that position.

No, they'll get a fine for driving a defective vehicle and be require to make-good and attend vehicle inspection to prove. The all seeing AI enables strict enforcement.

Re: An AI dashcam app designed to rate every driver

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Post by TheSpiceIsLife » Mon, Jun 20, 2016, 2:41 AM UTC

macintux wrote: post #7

Today I pulled into a turn lane and stopped alongside the car ahead of me to let them know their brake lights were out. Had to honk incessantly to get their attention. Then I waited in the wrong lane (no one behind me) to pull back into my original lane to go straight through the light. Probably would get a demerit from an AI for that maneuver.

I used to do this, until one driver go out and punched me in the face. Didn't catch his plate number unfortunately, vision was too blurry.

Re: An AI dashcam app designed to rate every driver

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Post by bloaf » Mon, Jun 20, 2016, 2:57 AM UTC

This strikes me as one of those great and terrible ideas. It has a tremendous potential for good, but it is one opt-out checkbox (Share the data you collect with the police to help catch criminals!) away from convincing the surveilled to create their own big brother.

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