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American society increasingly mistakes intelligence for human worth

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Re: American society increasingly mistakes intelligence for human worth

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"The qualifications for a good job, whether on an assembly line or behind a desk, mostly revolved around integrity, work ethic, and a knack for getting along"* * also being male, White, straight, Christian ...As though the 50's were the bastion of fair hiring practices.

That's not a refutation of the article, unless you think that 50s-style "integrity, work ethic, and a knack for getting along" hiring practices inherently preclude women/non-whites/non-straight/non-Christian people. Your comment reads like you're just trying to score cheap diversity points against the standards of 60 years ago instead of engaging with the point of the article.

> unless you think that 50s-style "integrity, work ethic, and a knack for getting along" hiring practices inherently preclude women/non-whites/non-straight/non-Christian people.

You don't?

Re: American society increasingly mistakes intelligence for human worth

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post #9

Alternatively, American society values a human's worth by economic output and the economy has shifted to value humans who can successfully navigate the new more intelligence-based economy.

> the new more intelligence-based economy.

Was intelligence not valued before?

Re: American society increasingly mistakes intelligence for human worth

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post #9

Alternatively, American society values a human's worth by economic output and the economy has shifted to value humans who can successfully navigate the new more intelligence-based economy.

> economic output

possibly, but more likely "economic winnings"

Re: American society increasingly mistakes intelligence for human worth

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post #22
post #9

Alternatively, American society values a human's worth by economic output and the economy has shifted to value humans who can successfully navigate the new more intelligence-based economy.

> the new more intelligence-based economy. Was intelligence not valued before?

The intelligence premium is definitely higher.

Re: American society increasingly mistakes intelligence for human worth

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post #19

This hardly seems to be the case if you follow politics and talk to people about it.

Politics, religion, and their close correlate, global warming, are subject to opinion sans facts. Hence, the average discourse re: those three tend to the degenerate case.

Re: American society increasingly mistakes intelligence for human worth

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The very intelligent traditional men are the ones under attack in America. The stupid are not directly under attack. The stupid are under attack indirectly, because the true leaders of society are under attack. The evidence of this can be seen in all of the crumbling cities in America. Even Noam Chomsky, a renowned liberal, admits that America is in a decline.

Understanding the reason can start with understanding that the very very intelligent men have been shouldered out of the Ivy League schools. Men have higher quantitative reasoning ability than women. The truly magical men that should be in control of our society are being shouldered out by very intelligent women.

>In 2005, the distinguished economist Lawrence Summers was forced to resign as President of Harvard University after expressing the view, at a seminar on diversity in the academic workplace, that in some fields the innate cognitive differences between the sexes might make the search for a perfect 50:50 gender balance impossible.

Mr. Summers taking damage here is an instance of the de-evolution effect of feminism that we all experience everyday. There will never be a balance in the genders until genius men are stepped on and damaged until their phenotypes have been genocided/they no longer exist. And even in that case, if the very genius men are being stepped on, then genius women are also going to be disappearing, as the same genius men are generally their fathers.

Re: American society increasingly mistakes intelligence for human worth

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post #18

I grew up in a poor, working class, crime-ridden neighborhood of Brooklyn in the 1970s, and I remember being smart as a kid was a reason to harass, and sometimes beat on somebody who was seen as too smart in class. This wasn't happening in the wealthier, more educated neighborhoods in NYC (I had friends there afterwards). Although, all parents wanted their kids to exceed in both areas. I think there was also some ang…

I experienced the same for being smart in the "wrong neighborhood" in Albuquerque, NM (1990s).

Re: American society increasingly mistakes intelligence for human worth

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I'm having difficulty reconciling this claim with how I see American society judging the worth of political candidates. (Also in the journalistic outlets American society values the most.)

It's hard to apply cultural analysis like this uniformly. I also feel that there is a general trend towards anti-intellectualism in America. I think both things can be true: that 'we' value excellence academically (because it confers greater and greater economic benefit) and yet are less open to ideas that are outside our worldview.

On the other hand, the article suggests that the more intelligent are more likely to be oblivious of their own biases and flaws (and where is that more likely than in politics), so on its own terms is not necessarily contradictory :)

Re: American society increasingly mistakes intelligence for human worth

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No, it confuses material success with human worth.

And this is not a new human behaviour, it's just exacerbated by increasing inequality, and made more obvious when the rules of success change, favouring different social groups.

American society's infatuation with gungho capitalism certainly plays a part (thanks, Edward Bernaise), but I'm convinced it's a hard wired behaviour, like our preference for attractive people. Associating ourselves with both attractive and the powerful provide an evolutionary advantage.

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