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Analysis of GPS logs uncovers multimillion $ NYC cab scam

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Re: Analysis of GPS logs uncovers multimillion $ NYC cab scam

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you really think the customer knowing a driver's location, or someone seeing them go past on the street, is the same as a centralised record?

Not at all, when did I say that? I said it makes no sense to think a cab driver has any reasonable expectation that the location of his cab would be private in any sense when it's in service and carrying passengers. As a frequent cab rider, I'm happy to know that the location of the stranger's car that I just jumped into is tracked and recorded at all times. Why do you think this information should be kept private?

Why do you think this information should be kept private?

Maybe because, as with the demise Netflix Prize, the data can be correlated with some other dataset to identify individuals who ride in the cabs.

Re: Analysis of GPS logs uncovers multimillion $ NYC cab scam

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When I hop into a cab in NYC, I generally spend a lot more than the $4.55 this article implies the average fare should be - since $4.55 is the average overcharge, and since the overcharged rate is double.

If this was just user error I'd expect the overcharge to be near the average fare - looks to me like the cabbies are deliberately ripping off people who want to go just a short distance, probably out of irritation.

Re: Analysis of GPS logs uncovers multimillion $ NYC cab scam

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As one who has taken taxis on a daily to weekly basis for the last ten years, I've never understood how on earth a Taxi Driver can pull scams on their passengers. I flag locally, call for a pickup, as well as take cabs from airports.

I've done this thousands of times in ten years.

In _all_ of that time, the closest I've seen to an errant fare (keeping in mind, I make the same trip hundreds of times with dozens of taxis drivers, as well as having Google Maps give me detailed distance information) is low tire pressure on a Taxi that took what should have been a $35 taxi fare to $38. It's amazing how little the "waiting time" charge varies a ride taken at a particular time. It's usually within 30-50 cents on a $40 ride at most.

I've never had a taxi driver try and determine if I was a "regular" or "out of towner" - and I rarely do more than just give them an address.

So I find it, based on my own experiences, very, very hard to believe that Taxi Drivers are engaging in any kind of widespread scam - unless they pull it on the blatant foreigners.

If I ever had a Taxi driver charge me the wrong rate, I wouldn't even dispute it with him, I'd just call their administrative oversight (which, in most cities, is the local police) and let them deal with it.

So, as much as people want to suggest "GPS Logs" are uncovering something - I'd have to suggest that by and large there is nothing to uncover. I'd be interested in seeing further details on these taxi drivers who have supposedly overcharged 100s of times - People like me would have flipped and/or called the police if they tried it even _once_ on us.

Color me dubious.

Re: Analysis of GPS logs uncovers multimillion $ NYC cab scam

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As one who has taken taxis on a daily to weekly basis for the last ten years, I've never understood how on earth a Taxi Driver can pull scams on their passengers. I flag locally, call for a pickup, as well as take cabs from airports. I've done this thousands of times in ten years. In _all_ of that time, the closest I've seen to an errant fare (keeping in mind, I make the same trip hundreds of times with dozens of tax…

Compare:

"Hey driver, 30th and 3rd please."

"Hi, umm, do we want to go the Empire State Building next? Umm, okay, yeah, Empire State Building please." -> Flip into doubletime.

Re: Analysis of GPS logs uncovers multimillion $ NYC cab scam

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When I hop into a cab in NYC, I generally spend a lot more than the $4.55 this article implies the average fare should be - since $4.55 is the average overcharge, and since the overcharged rate is double. If this was just user error I'd expect the overcharge to be near the average fare - looks to me like the cabbies are deliberately ripping off people who want to go just a short distance, probably out of irritation.

Wouldn't the $4.55 over just be metered distance? You also pay a flat fee when you get in, pay when the cab is idling, and pay for any tolls you pass - those wouldn't be effected. It's been a while since I was in New York though, and I usually tried to avoid cabs.

Re: Analysis of GPS logs uncovers multimillion $ NYC cab scam

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When I hop into a cab in NYC, I generally spend a lot more than the $4.55 this article implies the average fare should be - since $4.55 is the average overcharge, and since the overcharged rate is double. If this was just user error I'd expect the overcharge to be near the average fare - looks to me like the cabbies are deliberately ripping off people who want to go just a short distance, probably out of irritation.

Wouldn't the $4.55 over just be metered distance? You also pay a flat fee when you get in, pay when the cab is idling, and pay for any tolls you pass - those wouldn't be effected. It's been a while since I was in New York though, and I usually tried to avoid cabs.

Yes, this is all true. Didn't add it because I didn't think it modified my point much.
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