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Re: Larry Page’s startups working on flying cars

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Helicopters and small planes already exist. We might have autonomous helicopters and small planes in the future, but flying car concept is flawed and not because it's hard to build one.

- Preflight checks and flight safety. Larry should first build normal small aircraft that can do without constant manual checks before flight. This is actually good subgoal to work with even without flying cars in mind. Reliable infrastructure that checks and calibrates instruments so reliably that you don't need manual checks would be revolution in aerospace. Just walking from your car into your future Cessna-Android and flying off would be sci-fi for aviators.

- Energy consumption. No matter how energy efficient the engines are, hovering and short takeoffs use lots of energy. Flying with small wings with little lift is equivalent to driving monster trucks in full power. You don't want flying becoming everyday phenomenon until we have abundance of carbon free energy.

- Noise and safety regulations, aviation regulations over urban areas. Flying cars are not happening in the suburbs or anyone where lots of people live. In the meantime try to get new helicopter landing sites approved in your neighborhood. If you have to take car to your flying car hangar, just have a small plane instead. Or walk to a buss station.

Re: Larry Page’s startups working on flying cars

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What problems do flying cars solve? I know it looks cool but is there some huge thing that would get solved with this?

There are a number of potential issues they solve:

1) Efficiency. A flying car can theoretically take a straight line to its destination instead of having to follow a complex road layout. It might be less efficient to fly per minute, but if you're flying less minutes, it could be a net gain.

2) Reduce congestion. How much fuel in a car is burnt in traffic? With flying cars, congestion will largely be a thing of the past, you have effectively unlimited road just by changing altitude.

3) Reduce urban sprawl. You can get rid of a lot of the roads that plaster the countryside. There will still need to be some obviously. But less.

4) Reduce national infrastructure costs. As above, you get rid of the roads, you don't need to maintain them anymore.

5) Convenience. You don't need a driveway or garage on your house when you can land on the roof ;)

All in all there are quite a few decent reasons for it. Just depends on whether you can beat that efficiency level.

It would be interesting to see if anyone has done calculations factoring in the cost savings from reducing sprawl and the miles of road that are maintained each year.

Re: Larry Page’s startups working on flying cars

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What problems do flying cars solve? I know it looks cool but is there some huge thing that would get solved with this?

They can probably go in a straighter line to wherever they're headed.

Also being able to add layers atop one another as traffic increases.

Re: Larry Page’s startups working on flying cars

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What problems do flying cars solve? I know it looks cool but is there some huge thing that would get solved with this?

Cars and trucks are relegated to the 2d grid of streets. They consume an inordinate amount of space, and require that all travel occur in series down a road. When an accident occurs, this disrupts the flow of traffic down that path, and also frequently disrupts the flow of surrounding roads as drivers seek alternate routes around the problem. Roads wear down over time, and require maintenance to repair. Salt and chemicals placed on roads to melt ice and snow can have adverse impacts on the local water tables and have other negative ecological impacts.

Air-travel doesn't have those same constraints. Travel could be more point-to-point. An accident by one or two aircraft doesn't need to inhibit the travel of all other crafts flying in the general vicinity. Air space, while regulated and crowded in some urban areas, is largely under-utilized and expansive. It's also not a space that is shared with foot traffic, so pedestrians could reclaim some of the space currently allocated to roads since the volume of vehicular traffic would likely drop.

That's not to say that personal air travel doesn't introduce an entire set of new problems and challenges - it absolutely does, but there are many problems that cars and roads cause which air-travel avoids by-design.

Think of air-travel in the context of this cartoon:

http://greatergreaterwashington.org/post/24948/to-a-pedestri...

Re: Larry Page’s startups working on flying cars

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post #15

What problems do flying cars solve? I know it looks cool but is there some huge thing that would get solved with this?

You can go faster and in a straighter line, and -- given good communication between autonomous vehicles -- there is essentially no limit to traffic throughput. Also, you don't have to build as many roads, which are expensive and take up lots of valuable land.

Re: Larry Page’s startups working on flying cars

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post #15

What problems do flying cars solve? I know it looks cool but is there some huge thing that would get solved with this?

You can go faster and in a straighter line, and -- given good communication between autonomous vehicles -- there is essentially no limit to traffic throughput. Also, you don't have to build as many roads, which are expensive and take up lots of valuable land.

This is true at least until we become so overpopulated that we're living in Jetson's-style sky-houses.

Re: Larry Page’s startups working on flying cars

#28

Helicopters and small planes already exist. We might have autonomous helicopters and small planes in the future, but flying car concept is flawed and not because it's hard to build one. - Preflight checks and flight safety. Larry should first build normal small aircraft that can do without constant manual checks before flight. This is actually good subgoal to work with even without flying cars in mind. Reliable infra…

Your first point makes sense, but if the flying cars are fully electric then I'm not sure how much of the work to make existing small aircraft totally reliable would be applicable to such a different machine.

I guess that leads on to the question of, why not start by making an electric self-maintaining self-flying Cessna?

Re: Larry Page’s startups working on flying cars

#29
Much like autonomous cars, feel the focus is on the tech instead of how the tech would impact culture.

Core issue is that flying spreads people out, and given how hyper connected people are, this makes no sense.

Real focus should on condensed living areas, not flying people around, which is a massive waste of energy.

Re: Larry Page’s startups working on flying cars

#30
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What problems do flying cars solve? I know it looks cool but is there some huge thing that would get solved with this?

I work around dozens of pilots. Most of them used to own, co-own, share, or lease a plane. Only a few of them actually have a plane they could go fly right now.

Maintenance, upkeep, costs, and regulations are obvious reasons why some would be deterred from owning and using a private plane.

But most everyone of the pilots said, if you want to go to the beach, in general, the best way to get there is a 6 to 8-hour drive in a minivan. The faster you go in the plane, the faster you burn fuel, and the more likely you'll have to land to refuel. Even if you don't refuel, loading, landing, unpacking, and rental cars are all unpleasant time sucks at a small airport in a small plane which saves you maybe 2 or 3 hours on your commute.

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