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The State of SourceForge Since Its Acquisition in January

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Re: The State of SourceForge Since Its Acquisition in January

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For me it is too late. SF used to be the place I looked first. Recently I wanted to download windirstat and could only find it hosted on SF so I opted instead to LiveCD and just use some gnu tool.

Sorry to hear that. We would love to have you back at some point. I know it takes time to rebuild trust but hopefully people will see we are serious about it with the steps we have taken.

I wanted to come up with a nice snarky counterpoint, but figured I should go have a look first. The new landing page looks nice, and it no longer looks like a download.com clone packed with adware. Good job.

Request: Stop making javascript only pages. I browse with noscript enabled and I noted most of the 'new' things use javascript loaders, so I can't see them. This will help regain the trust of privacy loving users.

Re: The State of SourceForge Since Its Acquisition in January

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post #11
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sounds like the new owners understand the mistakes of their predecessors.

For me it is too late. SF used to be the place I looked first. Recently I wanted to download windirstat and could only find it hosted on SF so I opted instead to LiveCD and just use some gnu tool.

WinDirStat has hosted binaries on FossHub as well as SF for quite awhile now (http://windirstat.info/download.html). Also, there are dozens of similar alternatives (http://alternativeto.net/software/windirstat/).

You downloaded a Linux distribution, burned it to CD/USB, and went through a full reboot... to figure out which directories on your Windows PC had a lot of files in them?

Wat?

Re: The State of SourceForge Since Its Acquisition in January

#23
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry to hear that. We would love to have you back at some point. I know it takes time to rebuild trust but hopefully people will see we are serious about it with the steps we have taken.

I wanted to come up with a nice snarky counterpoint, but figured I should go have a look first. The new landing page looks nice, and it no longer looks like a download.com clone packed with adware. Good job. Request: Stop making javascript only pages. I browse with noscript enabled and I noted most of the 'new' things use javascript loaders, so I can't see them. This will help regain the trust of privacy loving users…

> This will help regain the trust of privacy loving users.

Also, while Javascript is sometimes useful web pages (as opposed to web applications) IMO shouldn't depend on it.

Re: The State of SourceForge Since Its Acquisition in January

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wanted to come up with a nice snarky counterpoint, but figured I should go have a look first. The new landing page looks nice, and it no longer looks like a download.com clone packed with adware. Good job. Request: Stop making javascript only pages. I browse with noscript enabled and I noted most of the 'new' things use javascript loaders, so I can't see them. This will help regain the trust of privacy loving users…

> This will help regain the trust of privacy loving users. Also, while Javascript is sometimes useful web pages (as opposed to web applications) IMO shouldn't depend on it.

Quite right. It's just like css. It may enhance a page, but pages should always fail back gracefully to basic content if a user cannot support it.

Re: The State of SourceForge Since Its Acquisition in January

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SourceForge spent many years making decisions that sank its reputation. I don't think that's going to dramatically turn around overnight.

HOWEVER... it bums me out when a bad actor makes legitimate efforts to turn their act around, and get mostly shit and snark for it. Paraphrasing:

* "I would never download something from them no matter who owns the company now, because the previous owners sucked and I'm emotionally invested in disliking the brand."

* "This speed test service that they just made available for no ulterior motive at all doesn't work outside the U.S. yet. Pffffft."

* "Why would anyone use them instead of GitHub?"

* Etc... far more nasty stuff over in Reddit discussion.

Look. Years ago I switched over to GitHub (and later GitLab)... because SF was slow to adopt Git, and the interface was pretty weak once they did. There are more steps and complexity involved in setting up a full SF project than creating a simple GitHub/GitLab repo. So even now, I wouldn't consider SF for hosting a personal project Git repo if I had no intention of distributing binaries.

However, SF has always been geared more toward hosting full project sites directed at end-users, rather than simply hosting a source code repo for developers. That's why they "lost" to GitHub, because it turns out that most developers just need the best source code host and don't care about distributing binaries to end-users.

But if you have a project that you want to share with the world in binary form, rather than just a resume item to be seen by other developers, then SF has never had a serious challenger. GitHub, GitLab, Bitbucket... none of those guys really care about competing in THAT space. So for the couple of projects that I've wanted to make end-user facing, I've continued to use SF even though my source code is over on GitLab. Bandwidth is expensive, and hosting a reliable end-user facing website is a pain in the ass, so I'm grateful that SF is there as a free option.

So if you just need Git hosting, maybe you don't care. But it's fantastic that someone has stepped in and tried to right the ship, so there will continue to be a viable option for end-user facing binary hosting. I'm grateful for these guys, and hope they succeed.

Seriously... we've largely started embracing Microsoft of all companies after their recent about-face. There's no reason not to be positive about SF trying to become a good actor, even if their strengths don't happen to fit your own use case.

Re: The State of SourceForge Since Its Acquisition in January

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This is a very good development, but it's difficult to see what SF could do better than Github/Gitlab/Bitbucket, they are bogged down by 15 years of technical debt and a ruined reputation. Maybe they could retool as a Cloudflare/Akamai competitor? Their network of mirrors is probably the one thing still distinguishing them. Or they could go full-FOSS and somehow integrate with distributions, like a cross-distro Launc…

FileZilla is a legacy win32 app? I understand what you mean but that's a poor example considering it runs on Linux and OSX as well and is still updated quite frequently.

Re: The State of SourceForge Since Its Acquisition in January

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post #3

This is a very good development, but it's difficult to see what SF could do better than Github/Gitlab/Bitbucket, they are bogged down by 15 years of technical debt and a ruined reputation. Maybe they could retool as a Cloudflare/Akamai competitor? Their network of mirrors is probably the one thing still distinguishing them. Or they could go full-FOSS and somehow integrate with distributions, like a cross-distro Launc…

> but it's difficult to see what SF could do better than Github/Gitlab/Bitbucket When I have a dependency problem ( usually some arbitrary version of a lib that needs to be compiled and linked ) it's much easier if the project is on Sourceforge where I can just go and read down an index to find the appropriate release, which is not necessarily the latest one, and hit 'Download' to receive a nice bz2 which will de-tar…

github also does versioned releases, no?

https://github.com/kennethreitz/requests/releases as an example

Re: The State of SourceForge Since Its Acquisition in January

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SourceForge spent many years making decisions that sank its reputation. I don't think that's going to dramatically turn around overnight. HOWEVER... it bums me out when a bad actor makes legitimate efforts to turn their act around, and get mostly shit and snark for it. Paraphrasing: * " I would never download something from them no matter who owns the company now, because the previous owners sucked and I'm emotionall…

> it bums me out when a bad actor makes legitimate efforts to turn their act around, and get mostly shit and snark for it.

If there are no punishments then a rational (ie amoral) actor will betray initially and cooperate (for a while) when caught. If there's no cost for a turnaround you incentivize bad behavior.

The financially correct way to handle this is to penalize SourceForge perpetually so that it's of less value. This ties behavior to valuation and actually provides a disincentive going forward.

> we've largely started embracing Microsoft of all companies after their recent about-face.

Doesn't it seem unfair to all the honest companies out there for us to keep going back to MS? If we don't penalize their illegal past we're essentially burdening all the companies who complied with the law.

In that ecosystem when do new players get their first chance?

Re: The State of SourceForge Since Its Acquisition in January

#29

SourceForge spent many years making decisions that sank its reputation. I don't think that's going to dramatically turn around overnight. HOWEVER... it bums me out when a bad actor makes legitimate efforts to turn their act around, and get mostly shit and snark for it. Paraphrasing: * " I would never download something from them no matter who owns the company now, because the previous owners sucked and I'm emotionall…

What feature could we add to GitLab so that downloads are easier?
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