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Re: The effects of living in a poor neighborhood

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Post by benbenolson »

hx87 wrote: post #13
dudul wrote: post #2

"Another popular left-wing idea is a universal basic income" UBI is not only supported by left-wingers.

Being a take-my-money-and-leave-me-alone libertarian who values time and mental effort much more than money, I would love to replace the existing hodgepodge of a welfare system in the US with UBI + single payer health insurance.

I'm the same as you, except that I'm still not convinced yet. The more that I see this idea being pushed, the more I'm convinced that people are going to want to add this to the list of the many government handouts, not replace them.

Re: The effects of living in a poor neighborhood

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Post by brogrammer90 »

dudul wrote: post #2

"Another popular left-wing idea is a universal basic income" UBI is not only supported by left-wingers.

As someone who actually owns rentals in poor black neighborhoods, UBI is the most retarded ivory tower idea I've seen gain traction. All the black families on my street have section 8 vouchers, so they basically have no debt service. What do they do with all this free time? Deal drugs, look for marks to mug, break into vacant apartments, wake up at 2 pm, etc. Drive through my street around noon and count the number of able bodied men doing absolutely nothing productive and you'll lose count. They're hopeless.

Re: The effects of living in a poor neighborhood

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Post by charlesdm »

brogrammer90 wrote: post #22
dudul wrote: post #2

"Another popular left-wing idea is a universal basic income" UBI is not only supported by left-wingers.

As someone who actually owns rentals in poor black neighborhoods, UBI is the most retarded ivory tower idea I've seen gain traction. All the black families on my street have section 8 vouchers, so they basically have no debt service. What do they do with all this free time? Deal drugs, look for marks to mug, break into vacant apartments, wake up at 2 pm, etc. Drive through my street around noon and count the number o…

What's the avg. yield on those properties? There obviously must be an incentive to invest there, if there's low income potential + lots of potential hassle with tenants etc

Re: The effects of living in a poor neighborhood

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Post by minimaxir »

dang wrote: post #5

This looks like a pretty substantive article with an unfortunately infantilized presentation. Let's try to stick to the important content if we can.

Compared to the quirky and random XD reaction GIFs and image macros that populate modern thought pieces for no constructive purpose whatsoever, the images in the article are fine and provide a relevant visual aid.

Re: The effects of living in a poor neighborhood

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Post by fchollet »

minimaxir wrote: post #24
dang wrote: post #5

This looks like a pretty substantive article with an unfortunately infantilized presentation. Let's try to stick to the important content if we can.

Compared to the quirky and random XD reaction GIFs and image macros that populate modern thought pieces for no constructive purpose whatsoever , the images in the article are fine and provide a relevant visual aid.

> the quirky and random XD reaction GIFs and image macros that populate modern thought pieces

I'm just glad that we don't read the same "thought pieces"

Re: The effects of living in a poor neighborhood

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Post by dragonwriter »

brogrammer90 wrote: post #22
dudul wrote: post #2

"Another popular left-wing idea is a universal basic income" UBI is not only supported by left-wingers.

As someone who actually owns rentals in poor black neighborhoods, UBI is the most retarded ivory tower idea I've seen gain traction. All the black families on my street have section 8 vouchers, so they basically have no debt service. What do they do with all this free time? Deal drugs, look for marks to mug, break into vacant apartments, wake up at 2 pm, etc. Drive through my street around noon and count the number o…

Section 8 vouchers are a means-tested benefit program where the net benefit decreases with outside income, and, as such, create a disincentive (especially since people qualified for them also, nearly invariably, are on other means-tested benefit programs whose benefits also decline with additional income -- sometimes, in aggregate, leading to a greater than 1:1 decline in benefits compared to increased income) to productive activity.

This is precisely one of the problems with means-tested benefit programs, especially with an uncoordinated collection of such programs, that UBI, with its unconditional nature, is designed to solve. I don't see how that description of the effect of Section 8 vouchers (even if it is assumed to be both accurate, and generalizable) illustrates that UBI is a "retarded ivory tower idea".

Re: The effects of living in a poor neighborhood

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Post by sremani »

brogrammer90 wrote: post #22
dudul wrote: post #2

"Another popular left-wing idea is a universal basic income" UBI is not only supported by left-wingers.

As someone who actually owns rentals in poor black neighborhoods, UBI is the most retarded ivory tower idea I've seen gain traction. All the black families on my street have section 8 vouchers, so they basically have no debt service. What do they do with all this free time? Deal drugs, look for marks to mug, break into vacant apartments, wake up at 2 pm, etc. Drive through my street around noon and count the number o…

There is a wonderful article about effects of poverty in nautilus about Eastern Cherokee Indians post-casino prosperity and how their health and academic performance improved.I do not know of UBI will yield that, but effectively these native americans were getting checks for no work in exchange.

When there is no hope, there is no plan esp. long term plan, life becomes day to day exercise of attaining happiness now!!!

Re: The effects of living in a poor neighborhood

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Post by beatpanda »

aab0 wrote: post #20

A highly one-sided presentation. Let me point out some issues: it makes major hay of Moving to Opportunity, but MTO is a notorious failure - it increased crime rates in targeted areas, and showed no improvements on anything until the cited Chetty paper managed to torture out of the data, just recently, improvements in only 1 subgroup on only a handful of metrics (which, aside from Vox misstating the Chetty results by…

> society needs to come to grips with the confirmation of behavioral genetics.

In your opinion, what would that look like in the ideal case?

Re: The effects of living in a poor neighborhood

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Post by Snargorf »

mc32 wrote: post #12

I can dig it. Living in a bad neighborhood exposes you to an in-ideal living atmosphere. The people you are around influence you in many ways and one of those ways is the wrong way --not because people in the neighborhood want bad things for their brethren --but because their way of life and expectations impinge on the growth of the new young people in the neighborhood with respect to the wider society. Also, it's wo…

Actually, wealth inequality in the West was higher before World War One. They called it the 'gilded age' for a reason.

It only got a lot more equal because WW1, the Depression, and WW2 combined destroyed most of the stuff the rich people had.

Only recently has wealth inequality re-approached pre-WW1 levels.

Source: Piketty.

Re: The effects of living in a poor neighborhood

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Post by randyrand »

This just in - being surrounded by good influences is good for you. And vis-versa.

This isn't rocket science, of course. We've know about the important of cultural influence for a long time. There was a reason my parents cared about where I grew up, and who I hung out with.

If you grow up in a culture where people don't care about academics, where welfare and child support are acceptable forms of provision, where machismo and crime are glorified, where you are told that discrimination will prevent you from otherwise succeeding, and that your failures can be blamed on racism - no, I don't think that culture will have a good influence on you.

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