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Amphetamine use in America's workforce

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Re: Amphetamine use in America's workforce

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International comparisons would really help a lot to understand the phenomena... I find that there is a tendency by many North Americans to find pseudo-biological justification about everything.

In other words: trying to find individual solutions ("my dopamine is so messed up!") to social problems.

Re: Amphetamine use in America's workforce

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I think this is a little bit sensationalized at the very least. This excerpt in particular caught me off guard. "Abuse by young professionals is distressingly common—Wall Street traders, software engineers, dentists, nurses, and lawyers, all cracked out of their minds trying to keep up with the competition." Yes, I was diagnosed with ADHD as a child, and yes I have an Adderall prescription. But I'd hardly call myself…

I believe it's well-established that Adderall has a profoundly different effect on people like yourself who actually have ADHD, than on those who don't have ADHD. So when TFA talks about "abuse", I understand it as referring to people who do not have ADHD but are obtaining these medications illegitimately. It is unfortunate that the article mixes this up with the (presumably legitimate) increase in ADHD diagnoses.

I thought that was a myth that has been dispelled. Do you have any research to back that up?

Re: Amphetamine use in America's workforce

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post #14
post #9

I think this is a little bit sensationalized at the very least. This excerpt in particular caught me off guard. "Abuse by young professionals is distressingly common—Wall Street traders, software engineers, dentists, nurses, and lawyers, all cracked out of their minds trying to keep up with the competition." Yes, I was diagnosed with ADHD as a child, and yes I have an Adderall prescription. But I'd hardly call myself…

>bit sensationalized...This excerpt..."Abuse by young professionals" I don't think so. I'm in one of those environments where long hours are common and it definitely does happen. There are also people using a mix of uppers & downers (need the uppers to be wide awake but then can't sleep when at home hence downers). Hell I'm doing a vaguely similar thing (just with coffee and melatonin). Add a bit of anti-depressants…

A lot of antidepressants are nowhere near as abusable as amphetamine and its salts are. SSRIs, for example, take weeks to have an effect. I take Remeron (mirtazapine) and it was nearly a month before I started to feel better. Amphetamines work much faster.

Re: Amphetamine use in America's workforce

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post #11

So glad that as I was growing up, my ADHD tendencies were seen more as just an individual issue I'd have to learn to control myself rather than a physiological condition in need of medication. Granted, in my street-wise years I've found stimulants and I get along really, really well, but there's a nagging feeling that I simply don't want to be on amphetamines daily. It might turn my writing into delusional drivel lik…

People with ADHD react to amphetamines differently than people without it (at the correct dosages at least; I've never read anything about what happens to people with ADHD that take more than the correct dosage).

How do they act differently?

Re: Amphetamine use in America's workforce

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post #9

I think this is a little bit sensationalized at the very least. This excerpt in particular caught me off guard. "Abuse by young professionals is distressingly common—Wall Street traders, software engineers, dentists, nurses, and lawyers, all cracked out of their minds trying to keep up with the competition." Yes, I was diagnosed with ADHD as a child, and yes I have an Adderall prescription. But I'd hardly call myself…

Agreed. I was struck by the same line, "cracked out of their minds"... very biased. I don't know if "abuse" used to have a coherent meaning, but these days it boils down to "used in a way I don't like".

Drug use is certainly a mixed bag but it deserves a balanced treatment, not scare tactics.

The article even goes on to list great accomplishments that were made possible (or at least supported) by drug use. Talk about cognitive dissonance...

EDIT: For a wonderfully contrarian take on drug policy, check out Jessica Flanigan's "Three arguments against prescription requirements": http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22844026

Re: Amphetamine use in America's workforce

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post #9

I think this is a little bit sensationalized at the very least. This excerpt in particular caught me off guard. "Abuse by young professionals is distressingly common—Wall Street traders, software engineers, dentists, nurses, and lawyers, all cracked out of their minds trying to keep up with the competition." Yes, I was diagnosed with ADHD as a child, and yes I have an Adderall prescription. But I'd hardly call myself…

I believe it's well-established that Adderall has a profoundly different effect on people like yourself who actually have ADHD, than on those who don't have ADHD. So when TFA talks about "abuse", I understand it as referring to people who do not have ADHD but are obtaining these medications illegitimately. It is unfortunate that the article mixes this up with the (presumably legitimate) increase in ADHD diagnoses.

That is a myth, the effects are the same regardless of whether or not you have ADHD otherwise we'd be able to test for ADHD by simply giving someone amphetamines and seeing how they respond. Almost anyone who takes low-dose amphetamines will experience enhanced cognition. It just happens that this enhancement also alleviates symptoms of ADHD.

As you pointed out the problem with the article is that it makes no distinction between therapeutic low-dose usage and abuse level usage.

Re: Amphetamine use in America's workforce

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post #21

International comparisons would really help a lot to understand the phenomena... I find that there is a tendency by many North Americans to find pseudo-biological justification about everything. In other words: trying to find individual solutions ("my dopamine is so messed up!") to social problems.

It is at least somewhat culturally local to the US because the US allows direct-to-consumer advertising, which for years pushed the "chemical imbalance" line.

Problem is the "chemical imbalance" line is a myth, there's no evidence that depression is caused by a serotonin imbalance or an imbalance of anything else (easily) testable. It was only ever a theory and one that's not very well regarded. See [1], but there are loads more criticizing it.

[1] http://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/jou...

Re: Amphetamine use in America's workforce

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe it's well-established that Adderall has a profoundly different effect on people like yourself who actually have ADHD, than on those who don't have ADHD. So when TFA talks about "abuse", I understand it as referring to people who do not have ADHD but are obtaining these medications illegitimately. It is unfortunate that the article mixes this up with the (presumably legitimate) increase in ADHD diagnoses.

I thought that was a myth that has been dispelled. Do you have any research to back that up?

Yes this is a myth, it has the same effect on everyone.

Re: Amphetamine use in America's workforce

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I can't help but ask myself whether we should be wondering why Americans can't make it without drug-modified behavior, or whether this is better or worse than alternatives such as cigarettes, alcohol, caffeine, etc.

Humans in societies have been chemically altering their moods since we discovered mood-altering chemicals. Stress occurs inside and outside civilized workforces, and people take measures to mitigate stress. The real question is: what are the side-effects and how do we mitigate them?

(Not to imply that we shouldn't also look into options for de-stressing the American worker, since benefit there can scale significantly. But we do ourselves a disservice by imagining we're the first generation to have an entire culture habitually consuming a physiology-tweaking chemical cocktail)

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