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If You’re Building a Startup You Need to Move to Phoenix (Not Silicon Valley)

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Re: If You’re Building a Startup You Need to Move to Phoenix (Not Silicon Valley)

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If you are okay with not hiring the best, then sure, move your startup to Phoenix. Startups go to Silicon Valley and NYC because that's where the talent is. Talent goes there because that's where the startups are. Even if everything about Phoenix is objectively better, how are you going to overcome this trend?

There's a certain amount of truth to what you're saying but these are just a couple of hubs and talented people are all over the place. That and telecommuting may work just fine.

Re: If You’re Building a Startup You Need to Move to Phoenix (Not Silicon Valley)

#23
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Interesting. I've always seen Phoenix as a place where you spend most of your life indoors due to the heat. And it always has given me a "suburb" vibe when I've flown over it. Haven't lived there though.

Oh man... it's super suburban. Of course, if you've got a family and don't want neighbors breathing down on you from every direction, a proper suburban home here is totally affordable. That said, if you like to play outside, it's a paradise. We've got thousands of acres of public land within reach, easily accessible and free to all.

Heh, I live in Seattle. Not only do I have the Cascades within reach, I have the Puget Sound, and a lack of Phoenix heat. And it's not super suburban.

Re: If You’re Building a Startup You Need to Move to Phoenix (Not Silicon Valley)

#24
I'm living in Las Vegas right now, but Phoenix is one of my favorite cities. For me, the benefits include the low cost of living, the low stress traveling by car and public transportation, and a diverse nightlife.

I grew up in NJ and I prefer 110 with low humidity over 85 and high humidity. The summer heat is tough mid-day, but the mornings and nights are really nice. I lived in PHX the most recent winter and had no complaints, and fall and spring are beautiful.

I'm not convinced yet Phoenix is the best city for a startup, but it does depend on the type of business you're getting into. I think Phoenix is a great city if you want to grow your company and expand operations with a new office.

The demographic is unique in Phoenix, and it's still hard for me to understand why people think differently. I find it amazing how different the demographic is than Las Vegas, which is also a desert and only 4.5 hours away. I really like the suburbs of Las Vegas, but I would move to Phoenix again if I was involved in a meaningful project.

Re: If You’re Building a Startup You Need to Move to Phoenix (Not Silicon Valley)

#25
I visited the Scottsdale area on vacation a few months ago and despite the pleasant weather, the complete lack of pedestrians was amazing.

There were these nice, big sidewalks but NOBODY was using them. I walked a few miles a day and passed less than 10 total pedestrians. There were quite a few joggers and bicyclists though.

One passenger on a shared airport shuttle asked the driver to go out of his way to drop him off directly in front of his door to avoid having to walk about 50 feet.

I was just floored by the whole experience.

Re: If You’re Building a Startup You Need to Move to Phoenix (Not Silicon Valley)

#26
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh man... it's super suburban. Of course, if you've got a family and don't want neighbors breathing down on you from every direction, a proper suburban home here is totally affordable. That said, if you like to play outside, it's a paradise. We've got thousands of acres of public land within reach, easily accessible and free to all.

Heh, I live in Seattle. Not only do I have the Cascades within reach, I have the Puget Sound, and a lack of Phoenix heat. And it's not super suburban.

Oh sure! There a nice places everywhere! I think we can both be jealous of folks who live in Boulder and whatnot.

I guess what I mean is this - we have several HUGE parks right in our urban area: South Mountain, the Phoenix Mountain Preserve, and the McDowell Mountain Preserve. If you like to hike, mountain bike, or trail run, we've got a great community of folks out there wandering around. (This time of year, at the crack of dawn.)

Re: If You’re Building a Startup You Need to Move to Phoenix (Not Silicon Valley)

#27
I guess if I were pitching PHX as a place to live, I'd say this: let's say you're 40, got a family, fighting it out in the Bay Area everyday for some little piece of the pie, a place like Phoenix could be a real shift of gears towards the better. This is an easy to place to live: commutes are fairly relaxed, real estate prices are low, everything is laid out in a nice big grid, so you're never really lost.

The obvious criticism of The Valley, as we like to call it, is that it's an undifferentiated sea of vitamin-c colored houses, that's totally true. Absolutely. And yeah, it's gonna be 108 here at the end of the week. Nothing but sunny days for the next three months.

The key to survival of an Arizona summer is to find a pool, grab a beer, and settle in.

Arizona is not without its obvious issues, but this place is steadily getting better. We've got a really strong outdoors community, tons of people up at dawn, running around in one of the really sizable parks which dot our metroplex. Our cultural scene has come together well after the launch of the Crescent Ballroom in Downtown PHX. We're centrally located with easy access to all the pleasures of the west, from the beaches at Rocky Point, Mexico and San Diego to the mountains in Colorado.

Re: If You’re Building a Startup You Need to Move to Phoenix (Not Silicon Valley)

#28

The author spends quite a bit of time comparing the expenses, but never really mentions the pay. It's a better deal if the pay stays the same . This kind of comparison happens a lot, but I personally think it's a little faulty. To demonstrate, let's do some math. If I make 60K after taxes in Phoenix and spend 18K/year on rent (1.5K * 12), and let's say another 12K on food and gas and miscellaneous expenses, then I ha…

Is it true you'll clear 2x as much post-tax salary in SV as compared to Phoenix?

Re: If You’re Building a Startup You Need to Move to Phoenix (Not Silicon Valley)

#29

If you are okay with not hiring the best, then sure, move your startup to Phoenix. Startups go to Silicon Valley and NYC because that's where the talent is. Talent goes there because that's where the startups are. Even if everything about Phoenix is objectively better, how are you going to overcome this trend?

Real talent goes (or stays) wherever it damn well pleases, and has the leverage to insist on telecommuting if that's not where HQ happens to be. "All the talent is in X" is egotistical BS for any value of X, whether it's a city or a whole country.

Re: If You’re Building a Startup You Need to Move to Phoenix (Not Silicon Valley)

#30
post #28

The author spends quite a bit of time comparing the expenses, but never really mentions the pay. It's a better deal if the pay stays the same . This kind of comparison happens a lot, but I personally think it's a little faulty. To demonstrate, let's do some math. If I make 60K after taxes in Phoenix and spend 18K/year on rent (1.5K * 12), and let's say another 12K on food and gas and miscellaneous expenses, then I ha…

Is it true you'll clear 2x as much post-tax salary in SV as compared to Phoenix?

I live in SF now and I'm definitely clearing 2x as much post-tax as I was in Atlanta. I've never lived in Phoenix, so I can't really speak to it other than hypothetically.
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