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PureDarwin – An Informal Successor to OpenDarwin

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Re: PureDarwin – An Informal Successor to OpenDarwin

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Post by cmurf »

Zardoz84 wrote: post #12
pjmlp wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I cannot seat a Mac OS X user, or developer in front of it, and they will be able to use it just like Mac OS X.

Try to tweak KDE to mimic OSX

Why? Every time KDE (or even GNOME) undergoes major changes, so many tweaks are also broken. One of the reasons the OS X UI/Ux is so consistent and reliable and mature is because its developers aren't saying "f it, start over" every few years.

And there are bugs and annoying aspects to Aqua, it's not perfect, but it is stable.

Re: PureDarwin – An Informal Successor to OpenDarwin

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Post by cmurf »

pjmlp wrote: post #14
Zardoz84 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Try to tweak KDE to mimic OSX

Try to run Pages, iTunes, XCode or Apple Script on KDE.

Right, where's XCode on KDE or GNOME? MIA of course. Where is the XCode equivalent IDE on GNOME or KDE? MIA, unfortunately.

Re: PureDarwin – An Informal Successor to OpenDarwin

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Post by mdaniel »

DigitalJack wrote: post #5

I fully appreciate the "doing it for the fun of it" mentality. Am I wrong in assuming that is the "why" behind this project? I have used OS X full time for 7 years now, and I love it, but I never thought the kernel had much to recommend it.

My interest in having a running Darwin system is the ability to build OSX things on an openly licensed platform. I know that it is permissible to virtualize OSX on top of OSX, but even that is a PITA and more so in a TeamCity/jenkins/etc setup

Giving what the mingw project has contributed to being able to build Windows binaries on Linux, I'm pretty sure it would be possible to do something similar for OSX, but since so much of it is already open source, it seems a waste to discard the exact code that OSX is running

Re: PureDarwin – An Informal Successor to OpenDarwin

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Post by anonbanker »

fithisux wrote: post #8
pjmlp wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Without the whole Objective-C/Swift userspace libraries it will just look like OS X, but it won't be OS X.

KDE is better than Aqua. One needs Darwin for drivers and other subsystems. You can even run cocotron on this.

you're being downvoted, but I've converted many a macbook to linux, and KDE was what switched them all. 4.x was far nicer than Snow Leopard-Lion, and 5.x is now vastly superior to Mavericks-current.

KDE is the interface that both Apple and Microsoft steal from/reinvent nowadays.

Re: PureDarwin – An Informal Successor to OpenDarwin

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Post by anonbanker »

pjmlp wrote: post #14
Zardoz84 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Try to tweak KDE to mimic OSX

Try to run Pages, iTunes, XCode or Apple Script on KDE.

Try to run Krita, Clementine/Amarok, KDevelop or smalltalk on OS X.

Not because you can't, but because the above are better apps and a nicer experience than the Apple equivalents.

Once you get out of Apple's walled garden (and reality distortion field), you might find you like it better.

Re: PureDarwin – An Informal Successor to OpenDarwin

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Post by anonbanker »

cmurf wrote: post #22
pjmlp wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Try to run Pages, iTunes, XCode or Apple Script on KDE.

Right, where's XCode on KDE or GNOME? MIA of course. Where is the XCode equivalent IDE on GNOME or KDE? MIA, unfortunately.

If you spent ten minutes googling, you'd have found KDevelop.

Re: PureDarwin – An Informal Successor to OpenDarwin

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Post by xufi »

soneil wrote: post #6

Other than moving it to github, is there actually anything new here? They're still talking about the xmas release (2008), and of targeting Darwin9 (2007) and Darwin10(2009).

That's a good point. I was about to point it out too. A bit behind if you're already 5-8 versions behind

Re: PureDarwin – An Informal Successor to OpenDarwin

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Post by pjmlp »

anonbanker wrote: post #25
pjmlp wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Try to run Pages, iTunes, XCode or Apple Script on KDE.

Try to run Krita, Clementine/Amarok, KDevelop or smalltalk on OS X. Not because you can't, but because the above are better apps and a nicer experience than the Apple equivalents. Once you get out of Apple's walled garden (and reality distortion field), you might find you like it better.

I use all major consumer OSes.

The point here is about the missing features OS X on Darwin, not about alternatives that aren't native OS X.

Re: PureDarwin – An Informal Successor to OpenDarwin

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Post by mdaniel »

xvilka wrote: post #11
pjmlp wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Without the whole Objective-C/Swift userspace libraries it will just look like OS X, but it won't be OS X.

I remember there was a crowdfunding campaign or so, about reimplementing this runtime (including graphics libraries) using opensource ObjC implementations.

Are you thinking of GNUstep? I actually backed them but evidently my pledge wasn't high enough: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/203272607/gnustep-proje...

Re: PureDarwin – An Informal Successor to OpenDarwin

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Post by pjmlp »

anonbanker wrote: post #26
cmurf wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, where's XCode on KDE or GNOME? MIA of course. Where is the XCode equivalent IDE on GNOME or KDE? MIA, unfortunately.

If you spent ten minutes googling, you'd have found KDevelop.

Which doesn't offer the necessary XCode features for Darwin to be an OS X replacement.
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