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Our “No Asshole” Rule (2014)

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Re: Our “No Asshole” Rule (2014)

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Guilty as charged. :)

Oh, that wasn't aimed at you. :-) When I said "he" I meant the writer of the article! All this talk of arseholes, very confusing.

Imagine having a team that's exclusively composed of assholes executing your leader's vision. Case study showing the difficulties:

https://youtu.be/wHNB8IHfHdU?t=39s

Re: Our “No Asshole” Rule (2014)

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post #3

FYI, Professor Sutton from Stanford wrote a book about this very same idea: https://www.amazon.com/Asshole-Rule-Civilized-Workplace-Surv... I didn't know about Sutton's book at the time, but we used the same rule when raising our seed round. We rejected more than one VC firm based on this rule.

It was a good book. It basically showed assholes do a lot of damage and advocated reducing their impact in organizations. The idea doesn't necessarily mean full, passive-aggressive enabling. One can just ban more obvious asshole behavior and enforce a principle of treating people with respect as another commenter said. That combined with respecting people's key differences, often used in passive-aggressive attacks, should reduce the number of serious bullying a lot. Especially if whole organization is onboard.

I can't site anything specific as I gave it away. It was just a good reminder to strategically eliminate assholes (not dissent) if I ran a company.

Re: Our “No Asshole” Rule (2014)

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I've seen this at two shops now, verbatim (indicating that the phrase is cut-n-pasted from some management self-help book). In both cases, it translated into, " The assholes who have the most seniority or the ear of executives are 'team players'. The team players who do not have those things are 'assholes' ". It's just a verbal tool and political weapon for bullies to encourage sycophants... and for me is more of a r…

Yes, precisely. It irks me how this concept is always stated so matter-of-factly, like they just discovered some objective fact of the universe and you're an idiot if you're not on board. "No assholes! Like, duh!" All I can think is, let me guess: when you get rid of perks and don't promote people that should be promoted, and generally treat employees like cattle, you're not being an asshole. But if someone is not pr…

Does this mean that they still hire jerks just not assholes? Also what's the cut off point between jerk and asshole?

Re: Our “No Asshole” Rule (2014)

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Ehhh. I work at a company that has a similar policy. What ends up happening is: 1) Everyone becomes conflict-averse for fear of looking like an asshole, so bad ideas often go unchecked 2) People find other ways to be assholes when they want to be, they're just passive-aggressive about it instead 3) It becomes a conversation-terminating cliche. Want to stifle someone disagreeing with you? Accuse them of phrasing somet…

> Everyone becomes conflict-averse for fear of looking like an asshole, so bad ideas often go unchecked While assholes are probably necessary for a functional society, in the context of business the No Asshole Rule refers to things like sexually harassing your coworkers. Calling out bad ideas wouldn't qualify.

Why do you need a "no assholes" rule for sexual harassment to be unacceptable? Sexual harassment is unacceptable, regardless of policy.

(does this criticism make me an asshole? What if I added an ad hominim)

Re: Our “No Asshole” Rule (2014)

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I find it curious that company so concerned about culture and behaviour is so gratuitous with profanity. Do you really need to swear here? I think if I read this I wouldn't be interested in the company but this whole piece is completely ridiculous anyway.

Re: Our “No Asshole” Rule (2014)

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post #4

Ironically while reading this I got the distinct impression that the writer was a manipulative asshole.

Also, just seems like a a marketing/headhunting ploy. :/

    [some content]

    ...

    [if you've read this far and are not an asshole, please contact us as we're hiring. [email] [tweet] "We'd love to chat"]

Call me an arsehole if you want, but ugh. ;)

Re: Our “No Asshole” Rule (2014)

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> The other test is to meet their significant other. What qualities did they choose in the person with whom has the most influence over them?

Am I the only one bothered by such a request? I wouldn't want to bring my SO, not only because I wouldn't want to mix my private and professional life, but also because it seems incredibly weird to me to have my private relationships being used to judge me.

Weird and creepy.

Re: Our “No Asshole” Rule (2014)

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post #3

FYI, Professor Sutton from Stanford wrote a book about this very same idea: https://www.amazon.com/Asshole-Rule-Civilized-Workplace-Surv... I didn't know about Sutton's book at the time, but we used the same rule when raising our seed round. We rejected more than one VC firm based on this rule.

Ah, I knew it had to come a management book. Whenever you see managers at multiple companies reciting the same phrases in their speeches, it's always a lazy cut-n-paste from a recent self-help book.

There may actually be good material in that book. However, what gets written down by consultants and professors, and what is actually applied in typical practice, are two separate things (e.g. every "agile" methodology book ever).

Re: Our “No Asshole” Rule (2014)

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post #28

> The other test is to meet their significant other. What qualities did they choose in the person with whom has the most influence over them? Am I the only one bothered by such a request? I wouldn't want to bring my SO, not only because I wouldn't want to mix my private and professional life, but also because it seems incredibly weird to me to have my private relationships being used to judge me. Weird and creepy.

I agree, and I find this incredibly invasive. I agree the "how they treat wait staff" test, and sharing a meal with someone to give you some idea of what their personality is like has _some_ merit in my experience, but no, you can't meet my SO or invade my personal life.

The fact this is even considered is appalling, let alone publishing a blog post about it.

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