Management structures in existing companies have already created this in some places I have worked.
AI will create 'useless class' of humans
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#22> But our fate at the hand of clever cloggs robots may in fact be worse - to summon a class of eternally useless human beings.
Can't help but notice the sensationalist tone.
The author also seems to have a pessimistic view of the future and the role of humans in it. Certain roles may be replaced by AI and humans will move on to do different things, but that does not mean it will render those humans useless. What exactly will humans move on to do is of course an open ended question, but if history is any indication, it won't be bleak as the author predicts.
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#23there are worrying amout of people that say things ridicilous as this. It would not be a problem if they were put in it's place by being treated as, pardon my language, stupid fucktards disqusting to talk to. Instad these people are treated as forward thinkers that should be listened to. It reminds me a lot of eugenics. In the US that was cutting edge science 100 years ago until germans wanted to implement it. Just like homosexuality is natural is science now.
When people stop distinguishing between left or right and start taking Vatican for not terrorist organisation and something respectable then bad stuff happen. It is bad when society is not imune to people like this.
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#24Every time a new tech emerges someone will always say, that the new tech will take away human jobs. The new tech will take away human jobs. But the humans will just go do other newly created jobs.
It's a useful scapegoat. You can't point pitchforks at tech. You can point pitchforks at the offshorers, union busters, austerians and other job-killers who run our economy.
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#25These screeds have one grave misunderstanding: that AI can compete with a human. It's like apples to oranges.
Alpha Go may have beat the best human player in the world but you can't ask it to fold the laundry or how it felt about Angela's Ashes.
I think we'll be able to optimize away boring, repetitive jobs and tasks that require vast numerical and statistical quantities. And that's a good thing.
We'll just need to adapt our economic models away from the indentured servitude to the Protestant Ethic.
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#26I am a programmer. Its totally possible for this to happen. But, bugs will buy us time. We are too stupid (for now, a new language or proof system could change this) to write good enough software to destroy ourselves. Also energy efficiency. Organic life is crazy efficient at turning food into work (If you have access to abundant clean water). Give a person a happy meal and they can walk for days. A robot of the same size/weight/strength will kill it's battery or exhaust it's fossil fuel tank in a few hours.
The last programmer putting the finishing touches on artificial general intelligence (the one that will put programmers out of work too) just needs to make sure "love the meat bags who made you" is the second last instruction. The last instruction is don't alter the second last instruction.
Personally, I would enjoy hiking the west coast trail, drawing and painting more. I will miss coding through. I love the feeling when it finally work the way you want it to. The point being: if we are smart enough to automate all the jobs, we are probably smart enough to provide food/healthcare to everyone for free (basic living wage or whatever). It's not the end of world. There are lots of ways to spend your time.
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#27Typo - "AI will expand 'useless class' of humans"
Indeed. We have little need now for elevator operators. But 100 years ago, when steam, electricity, and wide-spread mechanization of the previous decades had brought huge advantages in efficiency, the thought was that there would be increased leisure, and the time to pursue the activities which make us more human, like friendship, raising children, hobbies, and more serious avocations. Or watching TV, playing video g…
It was a common idea in the 70s too.
All it takes is a bout of inflation to kill the idea that we've run out of things for people to do. It'll happen to the United States if the flow of underpriced Chinese goods dries up and the US needs to start making its own goods.
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#29These screeds have one grave misunderstanding: that AI can compete with a human. It's like apples to oranges. Alpha Go may have beat the best human player in the world but you can't ask it to fold the laundry or how it felt about Angela's Ashes. I think we'll be able to optimize away boring, repetitive jobs and tasks that require vast numerical and statistical quantities. And that's a good thing. We'll just need to a…
AlphaGo is only the beginning. The same tech in alphaGo has recently caused massive improvements in speech recognition, machine vision, translation, NLP, etc.
It won't be long before you can have a robot that will understand "fold the laundry", and be able to control a robot body to do it. We've had robotic tech for a long time. But only right now is the AI catching up to make use of it.
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#30I am a programmer. Its totally possible for this to happen. But, bugs will buy us time. We are too stupid (for now, a new language or proof system could change this) to write good enough software to destroy ourselves. Also energy efficiency. Organic life is crazy efficient at turning food into work (If you have access to abundant clean water). Give a person a happy meal and they can walk for days. A robot of the same…
First, read the article before commenting. This is about automation replacing jobs, not the singularity.
Second energy efficiency isn't a big deal. A robot army that runs on petrol is still scary. Energy efficiency has not kept machines from beating humans physically, at all.
Lastly, it's impossible to code "love the meat bags who made you". AI's do not take English language instructions. You need to specify exactly what you mean by "love" and "meat bags", etc, and not make any mistakes at all.