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Fox 'uses' a gameplay video from YouTube, and removes the original with DMCA

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Re: Fox 'uses' a gameplay video from YouTube, and removes the original with DMCA

#21

Until there is a financial penalty for wrongful use of the DMCA this type of thing will continue. They use robots to create reports (maybe not in this case) because for them there is simply zero downside. That downside needs to exist.

The real solution would be to require a human to certify the infringement complaint - no more automated requests.

Re: Fox 'uses' a gameplay video from YouTube, and removes the original with DMCA

#22

I've said it before, and it bears repeating here: ContentID is not, has not been, and will never be the DMCA. It was developed by YouTube so Viacom would drop the suit that would likely have stripped YouTube's safe harbor protections under the DMCA. ContentID takedowns are not DMCA takedowns. They operate on a different, much less strict standard. Anyone that works with YouTube can flag any video for any reason (see…

Content ID is not open to anyone though.

https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/1311402

This particular video seems like a nice test case of the review system.

Re: Fox 'uses' a gameplay video from YouTube, and removes the original with DMCA

#23
post #7

There is no reason this kind of glitch should even be happening. There should be some kind of date attribute that gets attached to the ContentID data that Fox submits, and YouTube should reject takedowns for which that date is later than the date the video in question was uploaded. This is just ridiculous.

I agree that this should not be happening. But your solution is unworkable. Upload priority is not proof of ownership or creation. If you upload one of Fox's movie trailers before they do, they should still definitely be able to take you down.

I'm not sure if I understand the problem here. So either Fox will want to remove the trailer manually, or they will want to remove it automatically with ContentID. If they remove it manuallly, then there's no problem since what I'm talking about only applies to the automated approach. If they want to remove it with ContentID, then presumably they have already uploaded the ContentID data, in which case their upload date is still earlier, and they can take it down.

The only time this would be a problem is if the bootleg trailer were uploaded before they uploaded the ContentID data, and Fox wanted to then upload the ContentID data and have it removed automatically. I can't see why they would do this, however, since presumably they are reacting to the bootleg upload in this case, and can then simpply issue a manual takedown request.

Re: Fox 'uses' a gameplay video from YouTube, and removes the original with DMCA

#24

I've said it before, and it bears repeating here: ContentID is not, has not been, and will never be the DMCA. It was developed by YouTube so Viacom would drop the suit that would likely have stripped YouTube's safe harbor protections under the DMCA. ContentID takedowns are not DMCA takedowns. They operate on a different, much less strict standard. Anyone that works with YouTube can flag any video for any reason (see…

Content ID is not open to anyone though. https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/1311402 This particular video seems like a nice test case of the review system.

I haven't seen this link before; it's a great reference.

The issue comes from the second sentence of the second paragraph:

> Therefore, applicants must have the exclusive rights to the material that is evaluated.

YouTube does nothing to verify the exclusive rights, as far as I can tell.

Re: Fox 'uses' a gameplay video from YouTube, and removes the original with DMCA

#25
post #11

This is eerily similar to the infamous "You made this?...I made this" comic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNx8cG7SrNc

Apparently historically accurate.

Also the irony of responding with an uploaded video of a copyrighted show owned by a major studio is delicious. :)

Re: Fox 'uses' a gameplay video from YouTube, and removes the original with DMCA

#26
post #7

There is no reason this kind of glitch should even be happening. There should be some kind of date attribute that gets attached to the ContentID data that Fox submits, and YouTube should reject takedowns for which that date is later than the date the video in question was uploaded. This is just ridiculous.

I agree that this should not be happening. But your solution is unworkable. Upload priority is not proof of ownership or creation. If you upload one of Fox's movie trailers before they do, they should still definitely be able to take you down.

It's not about the upload timestamp but about the time of creation. Fox could have said "we created this episode three month ago" when that's the time the episode was first pitched and it would still be fine.

Re: Fox 'uses' a gameplay video from YouTube, and removes the original with DMCA

#27

I've said it before, and it bears repeating here: ContentID is not, has not been, and will never be the DMCA. It was developed by YouTube so Viacom would drop the suit that would likely have stripped YouTube's safe harbor protections under the DMCA. ContentID takedowns are not DMCA takedowns. They operate on a different, much less strict standard. Anyone that works with YouTube can flag any video for any reason (see…

It would be great if articles would not say DMCA and be misleading about what is a YouTube process that has very little to do with the law. That way, people would focus on the real offender (YouTube and media companies) as opposed to assuming normal people actually have some legal protection and process provided by the DMCA.

I think the headline in the article and here is misleading and should be changed.

Re: Fox 'uses' a gameplay video from YouTube, and removes the original with DMCA

#29

I've said it before, and it bears repeating here: ContentID is not, has not been, and will never be the DMCA. It was developed by YouTube so Viacom would drop the suit that would likely have stripped YouTube's safe harbor protections under the DMCA. ContentID takedowns are not DMCA takedowns. They operate on a different, much less strict standard. Anyone that works with YouTube can flag any video for any reason (see…

Which suggests a nice solution if Congress were to be reasonable: amend the DMCA to clarify that ContentID itself would invalidate safe harbor. In other words, require actual neutrality for safe harbor.

Re: Fox 'uses' a gameplay video from YouTube, and removes the original with DMCA

#30
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Link to the original and not some reupload to imgur: http://nedroidcomics.tumblr.com/post/41879001445/the-interne... :)

I think linking to a re-upload is weirdly in spirit with the comic's sentiment. Though I never quite understood which interpretation was intended: * Creator shows their work to someone, who goes on claiming it's their own work. * Someone shows "their work" to the original creator, who then realizes it's actually their work.

I never even considered the second interpretation, which now seems even more appropriate than the first.

I only hope the original author is aware and supportive of the meta-sentiment of the re-upload/re-whitemark response.

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