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Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 100% voter turnout

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Re: Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 100% voter turnout

#21

Not to sound elitist, but is that really a good thing? What sorts of people are going to be simultaneously not motivated to vote, and good at picking the best candidate?

It reduces the power of highly motivated special interest groups if everyone votes.

Don't know how to weigh that against the possible downside you mention.

Re: Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 100% voter turnout

#22

Not to sound elitist, but is that really a good thing? What sorts of people are going to be simultaneously not motivated to vote, and good at picking the best candidate?

very few non-voters are unmotivated to vote. voters are far more likely to not cast ballots because voting is too hard.

Or in other cases they feel the candidates are not worth their salt. I know a number of people who feel this way.

Re: Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 100% voter turnout

#23
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Any idea about what the political ideologies of the full 100% looks like? It's bound to be vastly different that the low percentage that turns out.

I have no idea myself, but I think we can guess based on the fact that democrats generally want more turnout and republicans generally want less turn out. That suggests that democrats and republicans generally agree that the 100% would benefit democrats.

i tend to think more in terms of progressives and conservatives than dems vs. republicans. given the demographic makeup of our country, the majority of citizens are progressive: they assume that the future is brighter than the past and long for forward thinking policies.

then again, i can't see into a crystal ball. i will say this, however: both major parties would have policies that represent the will of the people if we had 100% voter turnout. we'd see greater satisfaction with government and a more equitable taxation system with increased turnout. i also think we'd see higher investment in education and health care.

Re: Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 100% voter turnout

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi Debra, Is your organization focused only on general elections, or on primaries as well? I couldn't find any information about primary elections on your site, even though many of the most consequential decisions are made then, when voter turnout is at its lowest.

Not debra, but I would think that would fall under "partisan"

Not all primaries are partisan.

As a non-Republican, non-Democrat, when I voted in the last primary, there was exactly one referendum on my ballot, and nothing else.

I was also the only person on the nonpartisan register at that time of the morning. They had to crack open the shrink-wrap on the ballots just for me. I imagine that not many other people would bother to drag themselves in to the polling place for that one issue, were they not also choosing candidates for one party or the other.

Re: Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 100% voter turnout

#25

I'd rather have 100% turnout by the 10% who are actually informed about the issues and candidates.

who decides if someone is informed enough? will their be a test? if so, we're treading dangerously into the jim crow era of american voting, and i don't think either one of us would be comfortable with that.

Re: Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 100% voter turnout

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I've always thought that online voting could be made MORE secure than traditional systems. If you combine cryptography with more traditional layers. It can also be anonymous. Take an existing online registration, allow a user to login, and "create a password". Take the password, hash it with the users registration id, and a salt, and that becomes the id for a ballot. Now a user can always login, and view their existi…

Online voting (the kind you could do in the comfort of your own home) suffers from manipulation in the more traditional form: I sit at your house with a baseball bat and make sure you vote for my candidate of choice. Voting at a voting booth prevents that.

I'm generally in favor of overhauling the voting system with technology (especially open source technology that can be publicly validated), but I think there are still benefits to having people vote in a supervised public space making sure people can vote anonymously and safely

Re: Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 100% voter turnout

#28

Hey everyone. Debra Cleaver here, founder of Vote.org. I am ready to answer all of your questions about voting in the US, as long as they are non-partisan. Partisan questions should be directed to your local political party. I'm especially keen to talk about ways we can use technology to modernize the election process. My current focus is how we can use electronic signatures to roll out online voter registration in s…

Hey Debra,

have you thought of open sourcing the voting backend so that cryptography and security experts can help to make sure that the votes are fair?

Also technology is good enough to be able to prove cryptographically the number of voters and to prove that a signature was taken to account. There are many ways to do this, but a professional cryptographer is the best to help in designing a system like this, not me.

Re: Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 100% voter turnout

#29

I'd rather have 100% turnout by the 10% who are actually informed about the issues and candidates.

Group A: Group B isn't informed. If they were, they would vote for Group A.

Group B: Group A isn't informed. If they were, they would vote for Group B.

Re: Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 100% voter turnout

#30
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Any idea about what the political ideologies of the full 100% looks like? It's bound to be vastly different that the low percentage that turns out.

It will be interesting to see how the methods to increase voter turnout will affect who comes out and what their voting patterns will be due to anchoring/recency/etc. It's possible that this demographic may be more apathetic at the moment and thus more impressionable. On the other hand, we could have segments that are politically motivated but do not have the reasonable means due to socioeconomic circumstances such as not being able to miss time from work, family, etc.
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