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Autonomous corporation “The DAO” has become the biggest crowdfunded project

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Re: Autonomous corporation “The DAO” has become the biggest crowdfunded project

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> Currently only the privileged can found and fund new companies. What? It's about $200 in Seattle to file to register a Limited Liability Company. It's a stretch to call that 'only the privileged'.

> The individual must have a net worth greater than $1 million, either individually or jointly with the individual’s spouse. [1] http://www.sec.gov/info/smallbus/secg/accredited-investor-ne...

That's the requirement to be an accredited investor, not to register a small business.

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> Currently only the privileged can found and fund new companies. What? It's about $200 in Seattle to file to register a Limited Liability Company. It's a stretch to call that 'only the privileged'.

Especially now Title III campaigns are live and anyone can raise from anyone. See www.wefunder.com for example.

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the article doesn't actually explain the "autonomous" bit imo. This looks rather more like a distributed decision making platform. Say, liquid democracy + ethereum, rather than Accelerando-style "sentient alien corporations". Noticeably, the DAO does not seem to be able to make any decision, it does things through proposals suggested by people which are voted on. Still cool anyway.

This is correct. When the Decentralized Autonomous Organization/Corporation is a term that has undergone quite a few changes, and Ethereum projects definitely use it very loosely. As you pointed out, not much is autonomous at all. The DAO in this case appoints one company per project who is responsible for the entire project and its management. They are free to be as competent or incompetent, until voted out.

Re: Autonomous corporation “The DAO” has become the biggest crowdfunded project

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A corporation, being a legal fiction, can only act through physical persons. So in that respect, no corporation can be truly autonomous. It sounds like what they have done is taken all the paperwork associated with corporate activity: by-laws, annual meeting minutes, resolutions, etc., and put them into a block chain. A more proper description would be a paperless corporation.

That's like saying a car can't be autonomous because some programmers wrote the software that it uses.

No, a corporation is a legal entity that must have directors and officers, aka people. Without that, you don't have a corporation.

And after reading the article, they aren't a legally recognized corporation.

Re: Autonomous corporation “The DAO” has become the biggest crowdfunded project

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the article doesn't actually explain the "autonomous" bit imo. This looks rather more like a distributed decision making platform. Say, liquid democracy + ethereum, rather than Accelerando-style "sentient alien corporations". Noticeably, the DAO does not seem to be able to make any decision, it does things through proposals suggested by people which are voted on. Still cool anyway.

Most decision making is in fact choosing between choices, it's not that different from a regular CEO.

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TLDR; A computer program living on the ethereum blockchain is currently in control of 107+ million dollars, making it the second largest crowdfunded project in history. Shareholders vote on proposals to give money to other entities (probably also programs on the ethereum blockchain) that they hope will make money and send it to the parent contract. All votes are managed by a program written in EVM code, which runs on…

Last time I checked, Apple Computers is worth $500+ Billion and is a public company.

Don't forget that the stock market is the original mass-crowdfunded project. Anyone can become an owner if you go to a brokerage account, and ownership rights entitles you to a vote for the board of directors and a share of the profits (ie: the dividend)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's like saying a car can't be autonomous because some programmers wrote the software that it uses.

No, a corporation is a legal entity that must have directors and officers, aka people. Without that, you don't have a corporation. And after reading the article, they aren't a legally recognized corporation.

> No, a corporation is a legal entity that must have directors and officers, aka people.

OR, a corporation is a legal entity formed by a corporate charter that is treated as a person under the law. In any case, whatever these ethereum-based things are, they aren't corporations.

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