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End to End Learning for Self-Driving Cars [pdf]

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Re: End to End Learning for Self-Driving Cars [pdf]

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This is really interesting, but I'd want autonomous cars to be better than humans at driving, not to emulate them.

I've read that one of the problems with Google's self-driving cars has been that other cars tend to run into them because the self-driving cars drive extremely conservatively and violate other driver's expectations of how a typical California driver is expected to behave.

I think this sort of thing is something developers are going to have to find ways of dealing with; a car can be technically driving in a safe, legal way but if it's too different from how a human would drive, they are going to be a safety hazard.

Of course, standard driving behavior varies dramatically from place to place. For instance, in the United States, everyone is expected to get out of the way of whichever car has the right-of-way in that situation. In Indonesia, the car that has the right-of-way is expected to slow down, stop, or move over to accommodate other cars that do things like pull out in front of them in an intersection or pass on a two-lane road with oncoming traffic. A self-driving car in Jakarta would need to be trained very differently than a self-driving car in Seattle or Paris. Not just because the traffic laws are different, but because drivers have very different expectations about what is normal behavior.

Re: End to End Learning for Self-Driving Cars [pdf]

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Nvidia is one of the main reasons my computers, I do not want this true of my cars as well. Edit - Is a joke really worth this many downvotes? I mean who hasn't had occasional trouble with Nvidia drivers and games?

"Nvidia is one of the main reasons my computers, I do not want this true of my cars as well." If this was a joke I think the grammatical error led to confusion?

I think they accidentally a word. (My guess would be 'main reasons my computers crash' :P )

Re: End to End Learning for Self-Driving Cars [pdf]

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post #21

This is really interesting, but I'd want autonomous cars to be better than humans at driving, not to emulate them.

I've read that one of the problems with Google's self-driving cars has been that other cars tend to run into them because the self-driving cars drive extremely conservatively and violate other driver's expectations of how a typical California driver is expected to behave. I think this sort of thing is something developers are going to have to find ways of dealing with; a car can be technically driving in a safe, lega…

Self driving cars must do significantly better safety wise otherwise the adoption will be hampered.

Plus, the whole point here I think is to save lives. Google self driving cars arent really a hazard they're more just very annoying because they are overly cautious.

Re: End to End Learning for Self-Driving Cars [pdf]

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An Nvidia self-driving car. Impressive...but can it run Crysis?

In all seriousness though I'm really enjoying the number of corps exploring the space of self-driving cars. It can only make the reality of a road full of autonomous cars come all the sooner. (Though with the rate at which I see Google's self driving cars around Austin you'd think they were already out for public consumption.)

Re: End to End Learning for Self-Driving Cars [pdf]

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This is really interesting, but I'd want autonomous cars to be better than humans at driving, not to emulate them.

I think the trick is not to mix autonomous and non-autonomous. Cities delegate autonomous only zones where no non-autonomous cars can go; this creates a transportation circulatory system and safe experimental zone which can expand - which can include just making the area of city only for autonomous cars larger or gradual commingling with non-autonomous cars. Or again partial autonomy of cars on highways / more predictable driving scenarios, like we are already seeing.

Re: End to End Learning for Self-Driving Cars [pdf]

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've read that one of the problems with Google's self-driving cars has been that other cars tend to run into them because the self-driving cars drive extremely conservatively and violate other driver's expectations of how a typical California driver is expected to behave. I think this sort of thing is something developers are going to have to find ways of dealing with; a car can be technically driving in a safe, lega…

Self driving cars must do significantly better safety wise otherwise the adoption will be hampered. Plus, the whole point here I think is to save lives. Google self driving cars arent really a hazard they're more just very annoying because they are overly cautious.

I feel like people just assume that they are annoying to drive around, but very few people actually have experience driving around google's cars. The times that I'm around them (a few mornings a week), they are never in any way weird or annoying. In fact, they are extremely predictable, and therefor, if anything, less annoying to drive around.

Re: End to End Learning for Self-Driving Cars [pdf]

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This is really interesting, but I'd want autonomous cars to be better than humans at driving, not to emulate them.

Even if it was trained to drive like a human, it'd be better in many ways: It never gets drunk, doesn't get tired, doesn't get distracted, can drive old people (or anyone) around who shouldn't be driving anymore, etc.

I couldn't find the article, but i remember a project learning from remote control plane pilots. People mess up all the time. It's not even drunk or tired, there's just errors every so often, it's almost statistical. The little errors people make wash out as noise.

Re: End to End Learning for Self-Driving Cars [pdf]

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post #21

This is really interesting, but I'd want autonomous cars to be better than humans at driving, not to emulate them.

I've read that one of the problems with Google's self-driving cars has been that other cars tend to run into them because the self-driving cars drive extremely conservatively and violate other driver's expectations of how a typical California driver is expected to behave. I think this sort of thing is something developers are going to have to find ways of dealing with; a car can be technically driving in a safe, lega…

>problems with Google's self-driving cars has been that other cars tend to run into them

I feel like this is already an urban myth, given the small amount of people who have actually been driving around the cars. And won't some of the people at fault for hitting them try to put the blame on the robot anyways?

Is there even a credible source for what you read?

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