Earlier quoted context omitted.
They can email those to you.
if emailed, what prevents you from leaking it (along with other recent content of your email inbox) claiming somebody hacked your email ?
Fear of prison?
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#22This is terrorism. Given what we all know based on past events about how the FBI conducts their activities, there is no way any reasonably aware citizen can conduct their life normally after such an encounter.
The last discussion thread on this topic had more than a few people complaining that Isis (the given name of the developer in the article) is overreacting and paranoid, which is a saddening response to see. It exposes the privileges and unfortunate circumstances citizens find themselves in because these agencies refuse to prosecute their anti-terror investigations in well-thought out ways, instead pursuing facile leads without regard to the external effects they cause.
We've even seen evidence that these agencies deliberately manipulate otherwise innocent people into behavior that implicates them in their "terror suspect" criteria, so it's hard to believe that anyone in this situation could be somehow too cautious.
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#23It sounds like her concern is that they might show her a magic piece of paper which, once you've seen it, requires you to do certain things and prohibits you from ever talking about it to anyone.[1] Magic pieces of paper like that really shouldn't be a part of our legal system. [1] https://epic.org/privacy/nsl/
She does (still) have a canary: https://fyb.patternsinthevoid.net/canary.html
We won't know whether she still does for another four months.
Re: FBI Harassing Core Tor Developer, Demand Meeting, but Refusing to Explain Why
#24It sounds like her concern is that they might show her a magic piece of paper which, once you've seen it, requires you to do certain things and prohibits you from ever talking about it to anyone.[1] Magic pieces of paper like that really shouldn't be a part of our legal system. [1] https://epic.org/privacy/nsl/
They can email those to you.
I don't think sending an email would legally count as a served subpoena, at least not unless you somehow (at the very least, but I doubt that's sufficient) indicated that you're fine with that? I'm not familiar with how this is practiced in the U.S., but in many EU countries, "regular" email is essentially useless in a court of law, even more so for something like a subpoena which needs to be served in person.
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#25Sounds like they have no god damn idea what they're doing. But of course, frightening nonetheless.
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#26The original story told about a couple of polite phonecalls where they have requested to talk with her. How does it get described as "harassment"? Of course, she also added a lot of paranoid speculation to her original blog post, but there's not a single confirmation of her fears so far, not even a hint.
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#27dear mr/ms.
fuck bloody off.
- sincerely, me
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#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
They can email those to you.
I don't think sending an email would legally count as a served subpoena, at least not unless you somehow (at the very least, but I doubt that's sufficient) indicated that you're fine with that? I'm not familiar with how this is practiced in the U.S., but in many EU countries, "regular" email is essentially useless in a court of law, even more so for something like a subpoena which needs to be served in person.
Email is definitely a valid way of serving subpoenas.
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#29Curious how many people on HN have had contact with the FBI in the past year?
Re: FBI Harassing Core Tor Developer, Demand Meeting, but Refusing to Explain Why
#30It sounds like her concern is that they might show her a magic piece of paper which, once you've seen it, requires you to do certain things and prohibits you from ever talking about it to anyone.[1] Magic pieces of paper like that really shouldn't be a part of our legal system. [1] https://epic.org/privacy/nsl/
They would just serve the paper using the usual techniques for delivering legal papers to persons possibly unwilling to receive them. These techniques usually avoid identifying yourself upfront. I believe they rather want information which they cannot legally force her to divulge (otherwise see above), so they're trying their luck at intimidation.
That isn't always true. In the U.S. legal system, a person can be granted immunity, and in doing so have their 5th amendment protection against self-incrimination terminated. With that, they could be forced to provide testimony, and refusal could result in fines and jail time without due process for as long as the courts see fit.