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Thermal camera footage allegedly shows pro cyclists using motors

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Re: Thermal camera footage allegedly shows pro cyclists using motors

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post #8

This is the most mind-boggling cheating scandal ever. It jiggles my engineering nerves in place I didn't know was possible.

Racers are willing to put their health at risk with various performance enhancing drugs and procedures, putting a motor on their bike seems to pale in comparison.

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#22
post #9

What makes cycling so particularly attractive to cheating? Or is cheating in cycling just getting more publicity than in other sports?

Most professional athletes are doing everything they can to get ahead, and cycling is no exception.

That said, there are pretty amazing stories about cyclists cheating - perhaps because the sport is so grueling that small advantages can really translate to substantial gains. One of my favorites for the Tour de France was cyclists being pulled by cars attached by fishing line to a piece of cork held in the mouth!

Re: Thermal camera footage allegedly shows pro cyclists using motors

#23

If these bikers lost these races, and i am left to assume they did since the scandal hasn't boiled over yet, i think they can safely pack it in. Losing a race you cheated in is about as low as i can imagine this getting.

Obviously there is still a significant desire to finish higher even you don't finish first.

Re: Thermal camera footage allegedly shows pro cyclists using motors

#24
post #9

What makes cycling so particularly attractive to cheating? Or is cheating in cycling just getting more publicity than in other sports?

At the highest levels of every type of professional sports, competitors are working hard to seek an edge. Some of those edges are legitimate and "in-bounds" (training harder/smarter/better equipment within the rules); others are outside the bounds.

Re: Thermal camera footage allegedly shows pro cyclists using motors

#25
post #9

What makes cycling so particularly attractive to cheating? Or is cheating in cycling just getting more publicity than in other sports?

I'd bet there's not a single star athlete in any sport that hasn't used performance enhancing drugs in some way. Test doesn't just make your muscles grow; it allows you to train harder and recover faster. The benefits are obvious. Stars have been caught in nearly every single sport you can think of -- football, baseball, track, cycling, distance running, sprinting, swimming, weightlifting, bodybuilding (well, they mostly don't bother testing), etc. Even movie stars are doing them (see eg Hugh Jackman jumping 20 lbs lean muscle mass in 6 months in his 40s to play Wolverine.)

Where stars aren't getting caught testing is lax or the drugs have outrun the testing regimes (basketball, crossfit, tennis).

In the year 2016, believing that the best athletes aren't using the same drugs as everyone else requires willful suspension of disbelief. After all, look at what they did for eg Barry Bonds -- they turned a clear hall of fame player into probably the best to ever play baseball. Every star athlete, and they tend to be ultra competitive, wants the same thing.

Re: Thermal camera footage allegedly shows pro cyclists using motors

#26
post #18

the thing with mechanical doping is that if you aren't caught red-handed, you are free, with doping some races/competitions will freeze your samples and they can be tested years later to find out if you were using something that wasn't testable yet, but with mechanical doping, once you're done the race you're safe. And over a course of a grand tour stage, even if the boost is only 25W, it can easily make the differen…

Seems trivial to detect now though. It's no problem to just tear down the bikes of the first X finishers to look for mechanical aids. Detecting doping reliably is much trickier. edit: I think most high level bikes use carbon fibre frames? You could probably just use x-ray or ultrasound imaging to look for anything suspicious in the frame.

Perhaps implement something similar to the parc ferme rules in F1? Where the winning cars and impounded after the race for detailed inspection and measurements by the stewards to ensure that they comply with the thousands of regulations?

Drivers have been disqualified in the past for a spoiler or brake caliper measurement that are millimetres out, and I remember Daniel Ricciardo was stripped of his podium here in Australia a couple of years back when his fuel flow regulator was found to have a flow rate that was a few mils out.

Re: Thermal camera footage allegedly shows pro cyclists using motors

#27
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How long do they typically use a bike? For big races, it might not be entirely absurd to cut up the frame after the race, just to be sure.

From the video linked, it sounds like they can (legally) switch bikes during the race, so they could just switch back to a legit bike close to the finish.

Even with a big lead you would be hard-pressed to have a mechanical requiring a bike change and still win. Yes you can switch bikes but you will be trailing the peloton by then (where the support cars are.) Early or mid-race you could catch up to the peloton and possibly make it back up front with a lot of effort but probably not within the last 20km or more.

Re: Thermal camera footage allegedly shows pro cyclists using motors

#28
post #9

What makes cycling so particularly attractive to cheating? Or is cheating in cycling just getting more publicity than in other sports?

There's also the phenomenon whereby cutting corners is more desirable if you feel that it is prevalent. Cheaters beget cheaters, and you've got a feedback loop.

Re: Thermal camera footage allegedly shows pro cyclists using motors

#29
post #11

A combination of FLIR and homologation could go a long way to solve this problem. FLIR seems like an excellent start.

Later in the video it shows electromagnets that don't really generate heat the same way the motors do.
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