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The truth comes out: Microsoft needs Linux

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Re: The truth comes out: Microsoft needs Linux

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There is a large group of people on the internet who never let the Microsoft of the 90s go. How does every single one of their business decisions get linked to some nefarious goal? The author doesn't even know what it could be, BUT DON'T FORGET! This company tried to patent everything decades ago! Don't forget they're not bringing bash to Windows out of the goodness in their hearts!

Parts of Microsoft haven't let the 90s go, why should we?

Re: The truth comes out: Microsoft needs Linux

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There is a large group of people on the internet who never let the Microsoft of the 90s go. How does every single one of their business decisions get linked to some nefarious goal? The author doesn't even know what it could be, BUT DON'T FORGET! This company tried to patent everything decades ago! Don't forget they're not bringing bash to Windows out of the goodness in their hearts!

That abomination of a system called win10 came out just a few years ago, not in 90s. Is spying on everyone and constantly sending telemetry even when disabled (to the extent people actually wrote a tool to go to every corner and forcefully disable it and even then it didn't work) not nefarious? What are you even talking about here, they haven't changed a slightest bit. Maybe I want to have updates that cannot be disa…

I came from the gamedev side of things.

In there Microsoft now is perfectly still the 90s Microsoft.

From my point of view, the Linux on Win10 is a strategic move to incentive people use Windows as their sole desktop (since with this move many people won't have any reason whatsoever to use Linux at all).

I tried to convince lots of people on the Linux community that they need to react... of course, not blocking Microsoft (that would be silly, and unfree), but by fixing stuff that people wants fixed for years: Audio, driver support in general, ease of use, not having to edit text config files, and so on...

But instead I got EXTREMELY negative reactions, some people even told me they are against AMDGPU driver efforts because it would make Linux more accessible to stupid people that will need help.

Re: The truth comes out: Microsoft needs Linux

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The author quoted Shuttleworth: > The native availability of a full Ubuntu environment on Windows, without virtualization or emulation, is a milestone that defies convention and a gateway to fascinatingly unfamiliar territory. "Ubuntu environment" is the key there. Microsoft doesn't need "Linux" unless they're planning on replacing their own kernel with it. Microsoft here is depending on the software running atop of…

If we end up with fully comatible gnu/linux and gnu/windows, that's still awesome, maybe even better than ending up with only linux variants.

Not if it's harmful to the development of a fully Free ecosystem. Unless Windows becomes fully Free - which would be a huge, unprecedented change - its users are forced to accept whatever compromises Microsoft makes on their behalf.

Re: The truth comes out: Microsoft needs Linux

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That abomination of a system called win10 came out just a few years ago, not in 90s. Is spying on everyone and constantly sending telemetry even when disabled (to the extent people actually wrote a tool to go to every corner and forcefully disable it and even then it didn't work) not nefarious? What are you even talking about here, they haven't changed a slightest bit. Maybe I want to have updates that cannot be disa…

I came from the gamedev side of things. In there Microsoft now is perfectly still the 90s Microsoft. From my point of view, the Linux on Win10 is a strategic move to incentive people use Windows as their sole desktop (since with this move many people won't have any reason whatsoever to use Linux at all). I tried to convince lots of people on the Linux community that they need to react... of course, not blocking Micro…

What do you think of the Steam work on this?

IMO they're doing it as a means of keeping their options open against the day when Microsoft decides not to allow a third-party app store on Windows and cuts off their air supply.

Re: The truth comes out: Microsoft needs Linux

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post #9

There is a large group of people on the internet who never let the Microsoft of the 90s go. How does every single one of their business decisions get linked to some nefarious goal? The author doesn't even know what it could be, BUT DON'T FORGET! This company tried to patent everything decades ago! Don't forget they're not bringing bash to Windows out of the goodness in their hearts!

There seems to be a lot of conspiracy theories going on, on what I personally believe to be a really straight forward and logical reaction.

From my perspective, "Bash on Windows" is a reaction to the wide adoption of OSX for development (In particularly web development seemed to have a mass migration).

For obligatory anecdote:

I'm a longtime and loyal Windows user. Windows has been my primary development platform even though parts or all of our stack ran on some flavor of -nix. I've always encouraged my team to do the same, primary motivated by the better UX on Windows.

But, like many in the past few years, I jumped the OSX bandwagon and moved the entire department over. This wasn't a fun transition, and came with many pains. But ultimately it was a necessary transition as the tools we needed just weren't supported on Windows.

Development became more complex, tooling became mandatory at every stage of development and only OSX offered us a reasonable balance between a -nix-like environment that ran the tools with decent UX.

Microsoft's move to bring Bash to Windows will likely motivate me to migrate back in due time.

While some may be spinning conspiracy theories, I'm personally just really glad Microsoft is moving in this direction.

Re: The truth comes out: Microsoft needs Linux

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post #9

There is a large group of people on the internet who never let the Microsoft of the 90s go. How does every single one of their business decisions get linked to some nefarious goal? The author doesn't even know what it could be, BUT DON'T FORGET! This company tried to patent everything decades ago! Don't forget they're not bringing bash to Windows out of the goodness in their hearts!

Last time I checked Microsoft was threatening Android phone makers with patents, many of those being related to Linux itself, collecting billions in patent royalties, being in essence a patents troll for the whole mobile industry. From where I'm standing, this seems no different than the Microsoft that funded the SCO lawsuit or that has spread FUD about Linux and open-source for years.

So do tell me, how did Microsoft change?

Re: The truth comes out: Microsoft needs Linux

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post #9

There is a large group of people on the internet who never let the Microsoft of the 90s go. How does every single one of their business decisions get linked to some nefarious goal? The author doesn't even know what it could be, BUT DON'T FORGET! This company tried to patent everything decades ago! Don't forget they're not bringing bash to Windows out of the goodness in their hearts!

And yet they still extort companies with their secret Android "patents". Perhaps people will treat them differently when they start acting like it. Nadella is getting there, but still has a lot of work ahead of him before hardcore Linux people (like myself) really trust the motives.

Re: The truth comes out: Microsoft needs Linux

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post #9

There is a large group of people on the internet who never let the Microsoft of the 90s go. How does every single one of their business decisions get linked to some nefarious goal? The author doesn't even know what it could be, BUT DON'T FORGET! This company tried to patent everything decades ago! Don't forget they're not bringing bash to Windows out of the goodness in their hearts!

I am holding them to the same standard I would any other business. Very few play nice when there is a motive to milk customers for a larger profit each quarter. We've seen how "Don't be evil" worked out.

They are a public traded company. They are beholden to shareholders not consumers, their customers or myself.

It is profitable to entice users into your ecosystem and trap them there. Apple, Google and Microsoft all do it.

I do have to ask, though: After being slighted for years, why should they be given an immediate pass because of very recent events that make nerds happy?

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