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Was it wrong to hack and leak the Panama Papers?

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Re: Was it wrong to hack and leak the Panama Papers?

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Slowly but surely, I'm coming to the position that "hacking and leaking" is never "wrong". It's a form of speech, and I'm a free speech absolutist. Let's stipulate that some things are illegal and not "wrong", just as others are legal and "wrong". It's not clear to me, however, that this case actually is a hack, in the sense that whoever released this material might have had legitimate access to it as a part of doing…

Are you suggesting that speech can't be "wrong"?

Re: Was it wrong to hack and leak the Panama Papers?

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The writer assumes that the laws work and asks "Is it ethic leak this illegal activities?". And he says that in this condition, proper way would be the legal ways. No! The laws and legal ways do not work always, in such cases people themselves will be the law and the prosecuters. It is like asking to catch all ISIS members without killing them, that would be the proper law! Not bombarding them! Don't kill ISIS, catch them and prosecute them, oh yeah what lawfull legal world! Would you expect justige from corrupt countries and corrupt procecuters? Revealing these corruptins is proper act and I support these hackers.

Re: Was it wrong to hack and leak the Panama Papers?

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed on the appropriateness of using Betteridge's law. MR's headline could have instead been 'Was it RIGHT to hack and leak the Panama Papers?'

Betteridge's law is totally appropriate : His point was that people heading an article with a question intend to defend a position while not immediately associating with it. And that's totally what this article does.

This article discusses both sides of the issue, doesn't come to a firm conclusion, and leads the reader to consider the question in their own mind.

IMO, this is one of the few articles where I believe that a rhetorical question as a title is appropriate.

Re: Was it wrong to hack and leak the Panama Papers?

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post #12

>Yet somehow many of us approve when the victims are wealthy and higher status, as is the case with the Panama Papers. Furthermore most of those individuals probably did nothing illegal, but rather they were trying to minimize their tax burden through (mostly) legal shell corporations. This is a scary thing that has been building over the last 10 years. Wealthy people are vilified for being wealthy even when they pla…

The analogy I use is how people go shopping in a neighboring state for lower sales taxes, or buy a house in an inconvenient place for lower property taxes.

Wealthier people are doing the same thing.

People get angry more so because they don't get the privilege to participate in those advantages. While simultaneously taking advantage of what they can.

Re: Was it wrong to hack and leak the Panama Papers?

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post #20
post #12

>Yet somehow many of us approve when the victims are wealthy and higher status, as is the case with the Panama Papers. Furthermore most of those individuals probably did nothing illegal, but rather they were trying to minimize their tax burden through (mostly) legal shell corporations. This is a scary thing that has been building over the last 10 years. Wealthy people are vilified for being wealthy even when they pla…

if you buy a set of rules, and then "play by the rules," I dont think you deserve kudos.

They lobby the government on their own behalf. You know who else does that? Everyone. That is how democracy works. No one blames a middle class person for supporting a candidate who plans to cut taxes on the middle class. Why do we blame the upper class for doing the same?

Like I said, you can have a problem with the magnitude of influence they have and I think we should move to reduce that magnitude. But you are being biased if you simply have a problem with the fact they do have influence.

Re: Was it wrong to hack and leak the Panama Papers?

#28

Slowly but surely, I'm coming to the position that "hacking and leaking" is never "wrong". It's a form of speech, and I'm a free speech absolutist. Let's stipulate that some things are illegal and not "wrong", just as others are legal and "wrong". It's not clear to me, however, that this case actually is a hack, in the sense that whoever released this material might have had legitimate access to it as a part of doing…

> Slowly but surely, I'm coming to the position that "hacking and leaking" is never "wrong". It's a form of speech, and I'm a free speech absolutist.

Wow, a "free speech absolutist". How absolute? So if I am a voyeur, poke a camera through your window and put it on the Internet that's OK per my free speech rights? I break into your bank's website and leak all the usernames and passwords -- I can be prosecuted for the break in but not be responsible for the consequences of leaking the login credentials? It's OK for me to publish a front page article claiming you're a convicted rapist, even if that's not true?

Re: Was it wrong to hack and leak the Panama Papers?

#29
post #7

The difference between sharing information about ordinary people charged with crimes and about the rich and powerful, is that the rich and powerful people are rich and powerful. These are people who exert power over the rest of society and therefore their business dealings - especially shady, quasi-legal or outright illegal business dealings - are in the public interest. The fact some random person has been charged w…

So privacy protection isn't an absolute right, more of a relative / subjective one and the deciding authority on the subject should be the internet at large. Weird to hear that kind of thinking on hacker news...

Re: Was it wrong to hack and leak the Panama Papers?

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post #12

>Yet somehow many of us approve when the victims are wealthy and higher status, as is the case with the Panama Papers. Furthermore most of those individuals probably did nothing illegal, but rather they were trying to minimize their tax burden through (mostly) legal shell corporations. This is a scary thing that has been building over the last 10 years. Wealthy people are vilified for being wealthy even when they pla…

I agree with the sentiment of your comment. But I also think some people crossed the line even though legal and playing by the rules.

For example, when law makers do things that would be considered to be a conflict of interest or due to them having insider info on what laws are coming to effect.

Or when people like Marianna Olszewski hiring a stranger to conceal her ownership of offshore accounts.

Somewhere there's a line crossed that isn't just reducing the tax a person has to pay. It went from tax reduction as an incentive to do something to being malicious.

When you deduct education expenses to reduce your tax, it's a reduction meant to encourage you to do something.

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