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How Meadow Is Building a Company and Community Around Cannabis

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Re: How Meadow Is Building a Company and Community Around Cannabis

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Post by adnam »

adnam wrote: post #19
GordonS wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It is capable of completely and permanently altering a person's personality in negative ways Yes, it should be used in moderation - like alcohol, which is a more dangerous, legal drug.

Pointing out the existence of a worse legal poison is not a very good argument for the legalisation of another one. Perhaps it should not be used at all.

GordonS> "Millions of drug users have been criminalised"

Well yes, they are criminals who have broken the law. Your argument is defeatist; drug prohibition works quite well in places like Japan and Singapore.

Re: How Meadow Is Building a Company and Community Around Cannabis

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Post by raducu »

adnam wrote: post #19
GordonS wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It is capable of completely and permanently altering a person's personality in negative ways Yes, it should be used in moderation - like alcohol, which is a more dangerous, legal drug.

Pointing out the existence of a worse legal poison is not a very good argument for the legalisation of another one. Perhaps it should not be used at all.

Some people call sugar a poison, some call pornography a poison some people call stress a poison.

Consenting adults not harming others should have the right to poison themselves as they see fit.

Re: How Meadow Is Building a Company and Community Around Cannabis

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Post by adnam »

raducu wrote: post #22
adnam wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pointing out the existence of a worse legal poison is not a very good argument for the legalisation of another one. Perhaps it should not be used at all.

Some people call sugar a poison, some call pornography a poison some people call stress a poison. Consenting adults not harming others should have the right to poison themselves as they see fit.

Tell me that when you have teenage kids.

Re: How Meadow Is Building a Company and Community Around Cannabis

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Post by bcook »

adnam wrote: post #17
GordonS wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why?

The often peddled argument is that cannabis is a "soft drug" is, according to what I have seen, a complete lie. It is capable of completely and permanently altering a person's personality in negative ways. Also, I would not want my kids using it.

Food (or the addiction to it) is also "capable of completely and permanently altering a person's personality in negative ways". Outlawing a substance because of the potential for abuse does not solve the underlying problem.

Hopefully, when you say "according to what I have seen", you are referring to respected scientific literature rather than anecdotal experience and heresay...

Re: How Meadow Is Building a Company and Community Around Cannabis

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Post by mryan »

adnam wrote: post #17
GordonS wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why?

The often peddled argument is that cannabis is a "soft drug" is, according to what I have seen, a complete lie. It is capable of completely and permanently altering a person's personality in negative ways. Also, I would not want my kids using it.

> The often peddled argument is that cannabis is a "soft drug" is, according to what I have seen, a complete lie.

Cannabis is a "soft drug" when compared to drugs like heroin and cocaine - "soft" is a relative description. It is not meant to imply that using cannabis is entirely without negative effects.

Re: How Meadow Is Building a Company and Community Around Cannabis

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Post by adnam »

bcook wrote: post #24
adnam wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The often peddled argument is that cannabis is a "soft drug" is, according to what I have seen, a complete lie. It is capable of completely and permanently altering a person's personality in negative ways. Also, I would not want my kids using it.

Food (or the addiction to it) is also "capable of completely and permanently altering a person's personality in negative ways". Outlawing a substance because of the potential for abuse does not solve the underlying problem. Hopefully, when you say "according to what I have seen", you are referring to respected scientific literature rather than anecdotal experience and heresay...

Oh gosh, you're really convincing me.

Re: How Meadow Is Building a Company and Community Around Cannabis

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Post by Archio »

adnam wrote: post #23
raducu wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some people call sugar a poison, some call pornography a poison some people call stress a poison. Consenting adults not harming others should have the right to poison themselves as they see fit.

Tell me that when you have teenage kids.

I hate to be the one to break this to you, but it is very likely that your teenage kids already have access through someone to marijuana [0], regardless of its legal status in your state.

The question you need to ask yourself isn't whether or not your teenage kids - soon to become independent adults - will try weed. The question is, do you want them to be educated about potential harms and get ID'd until they turn 21, or risk them getting an illegal product that isn't tested from a violence-ridden cartel (that doesn't check IDs, by the way)?

I highly recommend that you educate yourself about this drug, as I'm not sure of what scale of harmfulness cannabis can be classified as a "hard drug" [1]. The New York Times' 2014 editorial board's writeup on this issue is thoroughly documented and excellent [2].

[0] https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/high-school...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_harmfulness#/media/File:2...

[2] http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/07/27/opinion/sunday...

Re: How Meadow Is Building a Company and Community Around Cannabis

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Post by adnam »

adnam wrote: post #23
raducu wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some people call sugar a poison, some call pornography a poison some people call stress a poison. Consenting adults not harming others should have the right to poison themselves as they see fit.

Tell me that when you have teenage kids.

@Archio I hate to break it to you, but I was a teenager myself in to the so distant past and I am fully aware of the opportunities available. My point is that I don't want my kids being turned into stoners and that the law should be on MY side, not the guy pushing drugs on them.

Re: How Meadow Is Building a Company and Community Around Cannabis

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Post by Archio »

adnam wrote: post #21
adnam wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pointing out the existence of a worse legal poison is not a very good argument for the legalisation of another one. Perhaps it should not be used at all.

GordonS> "Millions of drug users have been criminalised" Well yes, they are criminals who have broken the law. Your argument is defeatist; drug prohibition works quite well in places like Japan and Singapore.

Do you honestly think that drug prohibition is working WELL in this country?

The current POTUS smoked cannabis regularly in his youth. Can you imagine how his career might have turned out differently if he was stuck in prison for a few months or years, because hey he's a criminal and he's broken the law? Which would have done more harm there, the drug or the criminal charges?

Re: How Meadow Is Building a Company and Community Around Cannabis

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Post by Archio »

adnam wrote: post #28
adnam wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tell me that when you have teenage kids.

@Archio I hate to break it to you, but I was a teenager myself in to the so distant past and I am fully aware of the opportunities available. My point is that I don't want my kids being turned into stoners and that the law should be on MY side, not the guy pushing drugs on them.

>I don't want my kids being turned into stoners [and] the law should be on MY side

Should it? It isn't on your side if they want to (as consenting adults): ride a motorcycle, drink alcohol, go heliskiing, visit a strip club, buy condoms, or go bungie jumping, for example.

Should all potentially harmful activities of any kind be criminalized as well, because you have kids and the law should be on your side?

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