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Why Basecamp CEO Jason Fried Believes 40 Hours Is Plenty

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Re: Why Basecamp CEO Jason Fried Believes 40 Hours Is Plenty

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We encourage developers to work 20 hours a week. Our experience is any engineer worth their salt is as productive in 20 hours as they were in 40 --- if anything, they're more productive. We also have an unlimited vacation policy, but we enforce a minimum of two weeks a year, which has really helped ensure people actually use their vacation time.

Your website says that your minimum vacation is three weeks[1]. Have you since changed your policy :P ?

[1] http://apsis.io/blog/2015/04/23/work-sustainably

Re: Why Basecamp CEO Jason Fried Believes 40 Hours Is Plenty

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I've been contracting for about a year now and, personally, I'd say even 30 hours is plenty. It may be anecdotal, but I am far more productive in 30 hours than I ever was in 40+ at any of my salaried jobs.

In large part I attribute this to my environment which, now that I'm working from home, is almost completely free of distractions. I get started at about 8 AM and wrap things up by 2 or 3 on most days - which is right when my kids get home. I clock out for anything more than a bathroom break which means my clients are getting a far more potent work-hour out of me then they get from their employees.

The reality is that the 40 work day is an anachronism; and it can't die soon enough. Start evaluating your employees by whether they're actually giving you the value you're paying them for and not by how much time they clock in your building working, looking at Facebook, or goofing off in the breakroom.

Re: Why Basecamp CEO Jason Fried Believes 40 Hours Is Plenty

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We encourage developers to work 20 hours a week. Our experience is any engineer worth their salt is as productive in 20 hours as they were in 40 --- if anything, they're more productive. We also have an unlimited vacation policy, but we enforce a minimum of two weeks a year, which has really helped ensure people actually use their vacation time.

Your website says that your minimum vacation is three weeks[1]. Have you since changed your policy :P ? [1] http://apsis.io/blog/2015/04/23/work-sustainably

No. I'm dumb.

Re: Why Basecamp CEO Jason Fried Believes 40 Hours Is Plenty

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We encourage developers to work 20 hours a week. Our experience is any engineer worth their salt is as productive in 20 hours as they were in 40 --- if anything, they're more productive. We also have an unlimited vacation policy, but we enforce a minimum of two weeks a year, which has really helped ensure people actually use their vacation time.

What and where is this land you speak of?

The internet. We're at http://apsis.io

Re: Why Basecamp CEO Jason Fried Believes 40 Hours Is Plenty

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We encourage developers to work 20 hours a week. Our experience is any engineer worth their salt is as productive in 20 hours as they were in 40 --- if anything, they're more productive. We also have an unlimited vacation policy, but we enforce a minimum of two weeks a year, which has really helped ensure people actually use their vacation time.

Can you tell us what is your company?

Apsis Labs, http://apsis.io

Re: Why Basecamp CEO Jason Fried Believes 40 Hours Is Plenty

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We encourage developers to work 20 hours a week. Our experience is any engineer worth their salt is as productive in 20 hours as they were in 40 --- if anything, they're more productive. We also have an unlimited vacation policy, but we enforce a minimum of two weeks a year, which has really helped ensure people actually use their vacation time.

How do you enforce the minimum, and also how do you make sure people don't mistake the minimum for the expectation?

A lot of yelling. We find people respond well when you yell at them to stop working and take time off.

Re: Why Basecamp CEO Jason Fried Believes 40 Hours Is Plenty

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We encourage developers to work 20 hours a week. Our experience is any engineer worth their salt is as productive in 20 hours as they were in 40 --- if anything, they're more productive. We also have an unlimited vacation policy, but we enforce a minimum of two weeks a year, which has really helped ensure people actually use their vacation time.

Could you please update your HN profile. Usually a member checks it to get in touch. Interesting policy and I do agree that qualified engineers should be able to deliver within a reasonable time frame. That said, the time spent on the problem isn't the best measure to gauge productivity. Each person approaches problems differently and usually well knit teams solve problems faster than geniuses in isolation.

Certainly, and we don't encourage isolation from our engineers. They are free to work further on problems, and often do --- but when the expectation is to work your fill, rather than to work the problem to death, we find our employees excel. Taking the weekend to ignore a problem often leads to a solution on Monday morning.

Re: Why Basecamp CEO Jason Fried Believes 40 Hours Is Plenty

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We encourage developers to work 20 hours a week. Our experience is any engineer worth their salt is as productive in 20 hours as they were in 40 --- if anything, they're more productive. We also have an unlimited vacation policy, but we enforce a minimum of two weeks a year, which has really helped ensure people actually use their vacation time.

> if anything, they're more productive I cannot count the times that I've spent the whole Friday on some problem just to have the solution occur to me out of nowhere at some moment during the weekend.

The most productive engineering I ever do is while I'm washing the dishes.
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