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Erdogan’s Attempt to Suppress German Satire Has the Opposite Effect

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Re: Erdogan’s Attempt to Suppress German Satire Has the Opposite Effect

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I wonder how much more of this sort of thing has to go on before the media begins widespread use of the word "dictator" for Erdogan? Illegal criticism, seizing opposition media, violent oppression of minorities, potential election shenanigans - I can imagine next he'll appoint himself President for Life and rename the it the People's Republic of Turkey. I feel the same thing applies to Putin, but we'll never see the…

Turkey is considered a US ally. We don't use the term dictators for our allies. (see Saudi Arabia for example).

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Something i haven't seen mentioned much is that the tv station this show is on, is a public broadcasting station paid for with taxes via the german government. While it turns out there are laws in place that ensure the government cannot influence program, it is fairly easy to understand how Erdogan could take this combination of being mocked by a state tv station wrongly, and get the impression that contacting the am…

> While it turns out there are laws in place that ensure the government cannot influence program

Well those tv stations are controlled by boards on which members of the ruling political parties are, so the influence thing is kind if ridiculous, but that's the official version, yes.

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Something i haven't seen mentioned much is that the tv station this show is on, is a public broadcasting station paid for with taxes via the german government. While it turns out there are laws in place that ensure the government cannot influence program, it is fairly easy to understand how Erdogan could take this combination of being mocked by a state tv station wrongly, and get the impression that contacting the am…

No, the "Rundfunkbeitrag" is no tax and Government isn't involved in collecting this. This is a bit of a juristic nitpicking but they are to some degree independent from government in financing, while the payment is mandatory. Politicians are however members of the supervisory councils (along with church representatives, worker union members and so on)

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post #21
post #4

I wonder how much more of this sort of thing has to go on before the media begins widespread use of the word "dictator" for Erdogan? Illegal criticism, seizing opposition media, violent oppression of minorities, potential election shenanigans - I can imagine next he'll appoint himself President for Life and rename the it the People's Republic of Turkey. I feel the same thing applies to Putin, but we'll never see the…

Turkey is considered a US ally. We don't use the term dictators for our allies. (see Saudi Arabia for example).

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Re: Erdogan’s Attempt to Suppress German Satire Has the Opposite Effect

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Something i haven't seen mentioned much is that the tv station this show is on, is a public broadcasting station paid for with taxes via the german government. While it turns out there are laws in place that ensure the government cannot influence program, it is fairly easy to understand how Erdogan could take this combination of being mocked by a state tv station wrongly, and get the impression that contacting the am…

I don't think Erdogan cares whether journalists are working for private companies, public stations or government media.

Either they are for him or against him. If they are against him, he is going after them - regardless of who employs them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_freedom_in_Turkey

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As a german I really have to wonder what's wrong with our government if we continue to cozy up to Erdogan's turkey. I really don't think having turkey as a migration buffer is worth paying the price of making the european union look like a club you can buy your way into regardless of ethics. What's the use of values if we're starting to ignore them so easily?

It just goes to show that politics is really really hard. You never get to hear about the decisions that are easy. If it's reported in the media, it's almost by definition an issue with multiple viable options (or, in this case, only bad choices).

Having seen a bit of German politics from the inside, I can assure you that everyone grapples with choices like this. I've witnessed ministers of finance changing their opinion on life-or-death (for Greece) matters three times in a day. Not because they lack conviction or idealism, but because they have a set of believes that are sometimes conflicting. Plus lack of sleep, incomplete information etc.

I wish more of that process could be shown on TV, but politicians who actually voice these ambiguities are unfortunately seen as weak and thus at some point a decision is made internally and is then communicated with absolute confidence publicly.

Regarding Turkey: rest assured, they're never going to be an EU member if things don't change dramatically. Medium-term, Turkey does actually belong in the EU: it's got enormous economic potential, could be a bridge to the middle east etc. Maybe that should have actually happened in the 1995-2008 timeframe and we'd have a different Turkey today. But EU leaders closed the door back then, possibly b/c Turkey was too poor, probably also because there's always one EU head of state who's a fucking racist.

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The satire show is reacting with more satire. Extra 3 made Mr. Erdogan employee of the month. http://www.ndr.de/fernsehen/sendungen/extra_3/extra-3-Der-Ir... Oh and the song with english subtitles: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2e2yHjc_mc

More important: the video has been released with Turkish subtitles:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=349VWBGICUQ

English subtitles:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2e2yHjc_mc

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Re: Erdogan’s Attempt to Suppress German Satire Has the Opposite Effect

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post #5

As a german I really have to wonder what's wrong with our government if we continue to cozy up to Erdogan's turkey. I really don't think having turkey as a migration buffer is worth paying the price of making the european union look like a club you can buy your way into regardless of ethics. What's the use of values if we're starting to ignore them so easily?

A lot of the cozying up is for military reasons I think. Turkey is part of NATO and has 612,900 active personnel against 180,676 from Germany and 205,851 from the UK and also a strategic position bordering Syria, Iraq and Iran so we're kind of forced to be a bit friendly in spite of Erdogan's failings.

Well don't forget france with around 250,000. Add spain + italy and not sure we should be that afraid

Re: Erdogan’s Attempt to Suppress German Satire Has the Opposite Effect

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The (funny, in my world) reaction of the show on Twitter is translated literally in the article:

Mr. Erdogan brandishing a fire extinguisher at a laptop, while threatening, “Either you erase this video, or I will extinguish the Internet.”

In German 'löschen' does mean to extinguish a fire (as the cartoon implies with the fire extinguisher), but more generally this is what you'd use for 'delete' in most/all cases.

So while the translation is certainly correct, the double meaning of 'I will delete the internet' is lost.

1: https://twitter.com/extra3/status/714804805798068225

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