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Re: Apple bans hackers from App Store

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Only if you're okay with breaking the law* and standing on ethically questionable ground* just to use an app that you bought. If your ISP gets a DMCA notice because you were downloading a cracked version of an app that you already own, do you think they're going to accept the explanation that 'it's okay, I already own it'? What about in the context of some of the proposed 'three strikes' laws? Nasty potential minefie…

Hmm, well, this is different I think. Most jailbreakers aren't doing it so that they can violate copyright and use apps without the consent of the rights holder, most jailbreak so that they can install apps from non-approved sources, use the phone on non-approved networks, and gain extra leverage over the device (SSH, etc.). To me, that just sounds like doing what you want with a device you own, and telling Apple tha…

Do we actually have any statistics on what 'most people' are jailbreaking their iPhones for, or is this just guesswork? I am quite prepares to believe that most of the hackers who actually create the jailbreaks are doing so for ideological reasons, or for technical satisfaction, but what about all the people who just install the jailbreaks?

Re: Apple bans hackers from App Store

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Hmm, well, this is different I think. Most jailbreakers aren't doing it so that they can violate copyright and use apps without the consent of the rights holder, most jailbreak so that they can install apps from non-approved sources, use the phone on non-approved networks, and gain extra leverage over the device (SSH, etc.). To me, that just sounds like doing what you want with a device you own, and telling Apple tha…

Do we actually have any statistics on what 'most people' are jailbreaking their iPhones for, or is this just guesswork? I am quite prepares to believe that most of the hackers who actually create the jailbreaks are doing so for ideological reasons, or for technical satisfaction, but what about all the people who just install the jailbreaks?

I jailbroke my iPod Touch in order to disable the auto-rotation "feature". I've never installed a cracked app.

Re: Apple bans hackers from App Store

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Why do people bother with iPhones? Seems like that in the time it takes to find exploits, you could just fix all the parts of Android you don't like instead.

Because when the iPhone was released it provided an experience which did not exist elsewhere. I had tried smart phones up to iPhone and they were a total pain to use. Apple hit the mark with a phone that did the following:

1. Was a decent phone with a good address book

2. Provided a good web surfing experience

3. Provided a good email service

4. Fixed voicemail through visual voicemail

5. Made the carriers provide unlimited data

6. Integrated mapping with GPS

7. Music player

This combination made it a killer device.

Re: Apple bans hackers from App Store

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post #14

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Completely agree. Apple is becoming more and more user unfriendly. Why pay for that kind of abuse?

Because the abuse is precisely what makes the ecosystem as user-friendly as it is. They want any iPhone user to be able to pick up your iPhone and have it behave the way they expect. They don't want users to be scared of them the way they are of their PCs. They don't want the massive fragmentation present on Android. They don't want all the coolest software that would otherwise be AppStore-friendly coming out via use…

I fail to see what censoring dictionaries has to do with user friendliness. I also doubt that slowing down software updates in order to hunt down infringing icons helps user friendliness or security. Deleting songs from iPods without even a warning when the iPod is connected to the wrong computer is also rather pointless in terms of user friendliness. It's about copyright. So let's be clear about that. Much of what Apple does has to do with control not user friendliness.

But anyway, in some areas you're right. Sometimes less choice makes a device easier to use. At the same time it lowers the threshold at wich I cannot do something that I absolutely must to do. At that point "ease of use" becomes irrelevant.

That's why Apple has become utterly irrelevant to me. Obviously, many people will never hit that threshold, so Apple is going to keep on selling a lot of devices. I just can't understand how anyone calling himself (or herself) a hacker can accept the kind of limitations imposed by Apple, which are hugely more restrictive than anything Microsoft came up with even in their most evil moments.

Re: Apple bans hackers from App Store

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Does anyone know why Apple has not invoked DMCA against jailbreaking? Is it because DMCA does not cover how the jailbreak hacks work or is it something else. I don't know much about the inner workings of jailbreak, nor have an iPhone, but given the way Apple protects its IP, I'm really curious.

Does anyone know why Apple has not invoked DMCA against jailbreaking?

They have, where the DMCA is applicable. The thing is, contrary to popular belief, the DMCA does not give them any sort of right to sue an individual for the act of jailbreaking itself. It is, after all, your phone. But it does come into play when people distribute the hacks to do so, as they involve breaking Apple's copy protections for the express purpose of modifying Apple's copyrighted firmware.

By analogy: A publisher does not have the right to stop you from cutting up a book and re-arranging the pages, but they do have the right to stop you from distributing such a book, even in modified form.

Re: Apple bans hackers from App Store

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post #18

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This doesn't really make sense. It's fine for Apple to release their phones a certain way because of those concerns. It's not fine for them to log into my phone and reset everything I've done because it doesn't match their overall vision for the device. It's my phone and I can do what I want to it. If that doesn't match with Apple's philosophy, they should at least be upfront with the idea that you're leasing the dev…

Apple/carriers don't do OTA firmware updates on the iPhone. It's your choice to install the update or not.

While it's better that the device isn't updated automatically, it's the same effect; I assume Apple bills these updates as essential for security and functionality features, so one may assume it's necessary and install over their stuff, perhaps unknowingly (if a friend administered the jailbreak, or if they didn't pay much attention and just assume it works with updates).

It's really just not worth the hassle, honestly. I will never own an iPhone primarily for these reasons.

Re: Apple bans hackers from App Store

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Completely agree. Apple is becoming more and more user unfriendly. Why pay for that kind of abuse?

Because the abuse is precisely what makes the ecosystem as user-friendly as it is. They want any iPhone user to be able to pick up your iPhone and have it behave the way they expect. They don't want users to be scared of them the way they are of their PCs. They don't want the massive fragmentation present on Android. They don't want all the coolest software that would otherwise be AppStore-friendly coming out via use…

I'd say the abuse is making the ecosystem less user-friendly. Users want things like Google Voice, or the ability for third party music apps (Pandora, Last.FM, etc) to play in the background. Blocking those things isn't user friendly. I'd also love to see an example of this mythical "massive fragmentation" that supposedly exists in the Android platform.
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