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Launching the Electronic Frontier Alliance

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Re: Launching the Electronic Frontier Alliance

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Post by slavik81 »

dreta wrote: post #5

"We anticipate participation from diverse movements such as Occupy, the Tea Party, Black Lives Matter, and the movements for immigrant rights, drug policy reform, peace and justice, gun rights, and others.” Alright, so i’ll be the first to say this. Colleges, and the mentioned movements, ESPECIALLY BLM, have a sick, warped sense of what the word “free expression” means. If you truly want to implement the 5 principles…

They can work together where they agree, and if they can't agree then maybe the backing they anticipated won't be there. I'm glad they're trying to bring people together behind this cause regardless.

Re: Launching the Electronic Frontier Alliance

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Post by xuegbibfj »

Karunamon wrote: post #16
jordigh wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was fully expecting someone in HN to get very upset about Black Lives Matter. I don't know much about them, but judging from their Wikipedia entry, as a whole the movement seems to be doing much more good than harm. It's also a pretty diverse group, and some have used the BLM monicker while being denounced by other members of BLM. So don't paint them all with the same brush. It's like saying that you're against Joh…

After having read the talk pages and controversies surrounding a number of politically charged wiki articles, I could not in good faith use them as a source to determine which political groups have a positive or negative influence. I'm starting to think disjoint, disorganized movements like BLM are a bad idea just from an organizational standpoint. It means your message can't be controlled, it means its up to each in…

That's a good point. We should let the elites handle everything because they have our best interests at heart and are much more intelligent than us. We can't trust "regular people" with political discourse.

Re: Launching the Electronic Frontier Alliance

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Post by BinaryIdiot »

xuegbibfj wrote: post #22
Karunamon wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After having read the talk pages and controversies surrounding a number of politically charged wiki articles, I could not in good faith use them as a source to determine which political groups have a positive or negative influence. I'm starting to think disjoint, disorganized movements like BLM are a bad idea just from an organizational standpoint. It means your message can't be controlled, it means its up to each in…

That's a good point. We should let the elites handle everything because they have our best interests at heart and are much more intelligent than us. We can't trust "regular people" with political discourse.

I'm confused. Where did you get the idea "elites" need to handle everything? Parent simply stated unorganized groups with a non-unified message allows a single member to ruin the entire movement.

So where do "elites" come into play?

Edit: oh I see your account was created 15 minutes ago to just post bullshit. Sigh.

Re: Launching the Electronic Frontier Alliance

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Post by GeneralMayhem »

kazazes wrote: post #19
hackuser wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand why the EFF (and ACLU for that matter) are considered liberal. Aren't they libertarian, if anything? Don't conservatives care about privacy, freedom of expression, freedom of the press, religious freedom, and other civil rights? Rejecting the EFF and ACLU looks to me like partisanship over country or principle: We don't care what they are doing, we're going to reject them because there is some asso…

The ACLU specifically was on the opposing end of plenty of Bush-era legislation and got labeled as such. My childhood memories are pocketed with soundbites of Bill O'Reilly denouncing the ACLU as a bastion of American liberalism.

Ah, Bill O'Reilly, that endless font of rational thought and uncannily accurate characterization.

Re: Launching the Electronic Frontier Alliance

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Post by mikerichards »

tptacek wrote: post #17
dreta wrote: post #5

"We anticipate participation from diverse movements such as Occupy, the Tea Party, Black Lives Matter, and the movements for immigrant rights, drug policy reform, peace and justice, gun rights, and others.” Alright, so i’ll be the first to say this. Colleges, and the mentioned movements, ESPECIALLY BLM, have a sick, warped sense of what the word “free expression” means. If you truly want to implement the 5 principles…

Please don't take threads on pointless ideological tangents. You are welcome to not like BLM, but you should know that there's no good outcome to litigating it here.

Please don't think you are the HN thread police.

Re: Launching the Electronic Frontier Alliance

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Post by [deleted] »

jordigh wrote: post #7
dreta wrote: post #5

"We anticipate participation from diverse movements such as Occupy, the Tea Party, Black Lives Matter, and the movements for immigrant rights, drug policy reform, peace and justice, gun rights, and others.” Alright, so i’ll be the first to say this. Colleges, and the mentioned movements, ESPECIALLY BLM, have a sick, warped sense of what the word “free expression” means. If you truly want to implement the 5 principles…

I was fully expecting someone in HN to get very upset about Black Lives Matter. I don't know much about them, but judging from their Wikipedia entry, as a whole the movement seems to be doing much more good than harm. It's also a pretty diverse group, and some have used the BLM monicker while being denounced by other members of BLM. So don't paint them all with the same brush. It's like saying that you're against Joh…

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Re: Launching the Electronic Frontier Alliance

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Post by phillc73 »

BinaryIdiot wrote: post #24
xuegbibfj wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a good point. We should let the elites handle everything because they have our best interests at heart and are much more intelligent than us. We can't trust "regular people" with political discourse.

I'm confused. Where did you get the idea "elites" need to handle everything? Parent simply stated unorganized groups with a non-unified message allows a single member to ruin the entire movement. So where do "elites" come into play? Edit: oh I see your account was created 15 minutes ago to just post bullshit. Sigh.

I think he got the idea that the "elites" need to handle everything, through having a sense of sarcasm.

Re: Launching the Electronic Frontier Alliance

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Post by binarymax »

cenal wrote: post #8
dreta wrote: post #5

"We anticipate participation from diverse movements such as Occupy, the Tea Party, Black Lives Matter, and the movements for immigrant rights, drug policy reform, peace and justice, gun rights, and others.” Alright, so i’ll be the first to say this. Colleges, and the mentioned movements, ESPECIALLY BLM, have a sick, warped sense of what the word “free expression” means. If you truly want to implement the 5 principles…

When I see something like this posted on the Internet I am reminded of a quote attributed to Socrates by Plato: "The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise." Every older generation tend to view the younger generation as a problem.

And vice versa - the older generation seen by the younger as holding back progress (in the west at least, eastern societies tend to respect the older generation more)

Re: Launching the Electronic Frontier Alliance

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Post by rayiner »

dreta wrote: post #5

"We anticipate participation from diverse movements such as Occupy, the Tea Party, Black Lives Matter, and the movements for immigrant rights, drug policy reform, peace and justice, gun rights, and others.” Alright, so i’ll be the first to say this. Colleges, and the mentioned movements, ESPECIALLY BLM, have a sick, warped sense of what the word “free expression” means. If you truly want to implement the 5 principles…

I think you're mixing up different groups of people. I know a lot of people who work in the area of criminal justice reform, and they're by and large not the same folks freaking out about what people say in colleges. Their primary interest is in sentencing reform, holding police accountable, and drug decriminalization. It's pretty far fetched to paint those folks as pushing for more government control.
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