This article seems to miss some crucial details. How does a jury go from the given description of a man armed with only a Taser being not only shot to disable but absolutely destroyed and vote unanimously in the police's favor? Was the question asked to the jury more specific, did the Guardian leave something out or was the jury really racist as the Guardian implies (by listing their races)?
Death by gentrification: the killing that shamed San Francisco
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Re: Death by gentrification: the killing that shamed San Francisco
#22Is there no rent control in SF or other US cities? How do people get priced out?
San Francisco has very strong rent control laws that limit rent increases to below the rate of inflation, that ensure well-behaved tenants generally can hold onto an apartment for their entire life if they want, and keep paying an ever-discounted rate, and they even apply when the tenant is wealthy. But when poor tenants voluntarily move out, they're usually replaced by someone willing to pay a lot more. Also, in any…
Why the opposition to the Ellis Act? If I own a home and want to sell it, I shouldn't be limited to selling it to someone who wants to be a landlord (a very small minority of people). And if I buy a home, I shouldn't be forced to rent it to someone.
If you rent a home you do not own it and you should not have any claim to what happens to it beyond the end of your current lease.
Re: Death by gentrification: the killing that shamed San Francisco
#23This is a very sad occurence but I'd wish an article to read more as facts than as a sob story
Re: Death by gentrification: the killing that shamed San Francisco
#24This is the taser Alex Nieto pointed at the police and refused to drop (if the police are telling the truth): http://i2.wp.com/missionlocal.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/03...
Lacking any “real” contradictory evidence, I guess we have to take the police’s claim reluctantly at face-value. The police don’t exactly have an impeccable track record when it comes to on-the-record honesty, but in this case their (often inconsistent) testimony is all we’ve got. And when you combine that with the lead-up to his police encounter, where basically everyone he ran into (in this narrative) treated him disrespectfully, then it starts to smell understandably fishy.
EDIT: Is it too much to ask for responses in lieu of down-votes? Discussions work better when we work together on our ideas instead of just shutting down the stuff we disagree with.
Re: Death by gentrification: the killing that shamed San Francisco
#25This police-assisted murder is a shame but I don't understand why we expect neighborhoods to remain frozen in time forever, never changing their racial or socioeconomic makeup for as long as the area exists. It's a given that neighborhoods, especially in the city, will change over time. The real issue isn't whether people who don't look like the lifelong residents will move in, it's if those new neighbors will treat…
Well this phase passed through cities like Chicago ages ago when the row homes were bought up literally street by street. Gutted and rebuilt on the inside into much nicer homes. The rising housing costs would increase taxes on adjacent homes and streets accelerating the process.
Likely Detroit will one day face this provided they can ever get themselves in order. It should be considered the fruit of fixing up what drove people away in the first place.
Re: Death by gentrification: the killing that shamed San Francisco
#26Why is gentrification bad?
Decreased quality of life for those who rent and can no longer afford to live in the gentrified neighborhood. Increased property taxes for those who already own can force even long-time residents to move, regardless of whether they actually want to, simply because their home has suddenly and unexpectedly increased in value. You could argue that this is a windfall - but being forcibly displaced by increased cost of li…
> Increased property taxes for those who already own can force even long-time residents to move, regardless of whether they actually want to, simply because their home has suddenly and unexpectedly increased in value.
That's not really an issue in California as property tax growth is fixed: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_13_(1...
Cash poor home owners get "stuck" in their homes because if they sold and bought a new house, they'd have significantly greater property taxes. Theyre better off keeping the home and either living there or renting it out.
Re: Death by gentrification: the killing that shamed San Francisco
#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
San Francisco has very strong rent control laws that limit rent increases to below the rate of inflation, that ensure well-behaved tenants generally can hold onto an apartment for their entire life if they want, and keep paying an ever-discounted rate, and they even apply when the tenant is wealthy. But when poor tenants voluntarily move out, they're usually replaced by someone willing to pay a lot more. Also, in any…
Why the opposition to the Ellis Act? If I own a home and want to sell it, I shouldn't be limited to selling it to someone who wants to be a landlord (a very small minority of people). And if I buy a home, I shouldn't be forced to rent it to someone. If you rent a home you do not own it and you should not have any claim to what happens to it beyond the end of your current lease.
By the Copenhagen Theory of Ethics (https://blog.jaibot.com/the-copenhagen-interpretation-of-eth...), once you rent an apartment to someone for a particular price, you have a moral obligation to continue doing that forever.
Re: Death by gentrification: the killing that shamed San Francisco
#28Is there no rent control in SF or other US cities? How do people get priced out?
There is rent control in San Francisco, Los Angeles, Washington D.C., and Oakland, CA. People get priced out of the market through an increase in demand and a lack of corresponding supply opportunities.
1. The lessee stays in a rent controlled location during a period of price increases, absolving themselves of the real-world price increase that is occurring to the landlord. So, to move from the house would mean the costs the landlord absorbed will be now absorbed by the lessee, meaning there is a large expense in moving. So, you either make the lodging you are in work, or else you move out. If you move out, lacking a corresponding wage increase, you will be priced out.
2. For San Francisco, there are height and zoning restrictions galore in the city. Supply to meet the demand is just not going to be allowed by the locals who push for "Keeping San Francisco like San Francisco." Since, demand increases, supply is static and those who would like to come in at $X wage are simply priced out of the market.
Re: Death by gentrification: the killing that shamed San Francisco
#29This is a very sad occurence but I'd wish an article to read more as facts than as a sob story
Aaron Swartz commits suicide after being prosecuted for a crime that he did commit, and he's a martyr.
A working class latino guy in San Francisco gets shot by the police because some white dudes didn't like the look of him, and it's basically his fault.
Hacker news values.
Re: Death by gentrification: the killing that shamed San Francisco
#30Why would a person ever point a taser with a laser sight at uniformed police in this country?
Yes this is a tragedy, but how are police supposed to react to a gun-like object pointed at them, in the heat of the moment?
Cops get shot also. They are nervous on the job. As we would be, in their position. Are they supposed to react to a pointed gun with understanding and open arms? I just don't think that's practical.