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South Korea announces $860M AI fund after AlphaGo 'shock'

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The Japanese government tried this exact same idea for AI in the 1980s: http://www.nytimes.com/1992/06/05/business/fifth-generation-... These 5 year targeted research (IMO an oxymoron) plans are always a waste of money, especially if they involve private for-profit companies. Take that money and spend it on 20 years of grants for basic computer science/robotics research in universities and then you will actually get…

They do sometimes work, see the Manhattan project for proof.

But they had a very specific target. It was not a "throw money see what happens" kind of thing

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As a South Korean who experienced/heard about many government-backed researches, I strongly feel that this will go nowhere. Most of the time, there's always some bribery involved and project never finishes or come even close to that of the tech companies in US. The government then realizes it can't be done even with more money and puts the money elsewhere just to repeat the same thing. The examples that I can think o…

Yeah. Congrats to Samsung in advance on their $860 million donation.

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That sounds unlikely. We don't yet know the structure of the human brain in full detail, nor know everything about how it grows and develops, so how can you possibly replicate it?

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They do sometimes work, see the Manhattan project for proof.

But they had a very specific target. It was not a "throw money see what happens" kind of thing

They also had several very specific pathways to the end result: if the calutrons didn't work for refinement, the thermal plant might; if the uranium didn't work, the plutonium might; if the implosion design didn't work, the gun type would definitely work; if a fission bomb didn't work, maybe Teller could jump ahead to a fusion bomb design; etc. Similarly for Apollo: many of the challenges had multiple viable approaches taken in parallel. This is part of why the Manhattan and Apollo projects worked.

In AI, it's not at all obvious what path leads to the end goal, much less there being multiple avenues each with a decent chance of working if enough money is thrown at them.

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That sounds unlikely. We don't yet know the structure of the human brain in full detail, nor know everything about how it grows and develops, so how can you possibly replicate it?

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EDIT: I've chosen to delete this comment. I disagree with the reply it received, and it also received numerous downvotes.

That sounds unlikely. We don't yet know the structure of the human brain in full detail, nor know everything about how it grows and develops, so how can you possibly replicate it?

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As a South Korean who experienced/heard about many government-backed researches, I strongly feel that this will go nowhere. Most of the time, there's always some bribery involved and project never finishes or come even close to that of the tech companies in US. The government then realizes it can't be done even with more money and puts the money elsewhere just to repeat the same thing. The examples that I can think o…

To paraphrase Obi-Wan: I feel a great disturbance in the industry...it is as if a million startups cried out in supplication, and were suddenly funded.

Pure injections of capital may work for basic needs in Africa, but tend to flounder in creative endeavors. From what I've seen, access to resources - a strong entrepreneurial community, top researchers, good hardware, and a flexible and customer-rich business environment - will always trump access to money.

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