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In the Age of Google DeepMind, Do the Young Go Prodigies of Asia Have a Future?

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Re: In the Age of Google DeepMind, Do the Young Go Prodigies of Asia Have a Future?

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Post by fiatmoney »

The safest best for sectors of the economy that will continue to prosper under a hard-AI regime are those that involve making humans, especially the rich (eg, owners of AI-based companies) feel happy via human interactions. Go instructors are such a niche.

Actually I would expect game-players and game-instructors to do better than the median profession under such a scenario, because playing games against other humans for entertainment & pure enjoyment of competition is a very human pursuit.

Re: In the Age of Google DeepMind, Do the Young Go Prodigies of Asia Have a Future?

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Post by ng12 »

nothis wrote: post #15
chenglou wrote: post #5

I mean, that's like asking whether marathon runners have a future now that we've got cars. Exercising one's brain/having pleasure through the game could be an end in itself, and is independent of how machines perform.

I like that analogy a lot! It's not like "playing Go really well" ever solved any real-world problem, it has always been a competition among humans. What should change, there?

I feel like the author completely misunderstood why AlphaGo is exciting. It's about advancements in technology and soft AI, Go has almost nothing to do with it.

Re: In the Age of Google DeepMind, Do the Young Go Prodigies of Asia Have a Future?

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Post by hemdawgz »

verroq wrote: post #17
carbocation wrote: post #2

In the age of Deep Blue, do young chess prodigies have a future?

In the age of high tech robot replacements, do unskilled factory workers have a future?

This one unfortunately isn't analogous with the others.

Re: In the Age of Google DeepMind, Do the Young Go Prodigies of Asia Have a Future?

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Post by zitterbewegung »

Animats wrote: post #13

From the article: "It is estimated that, of South Korea’s three hundred and twenty pros, only around fifty are able to earn a living on tournament winnings." This isn't going to result in massive unemployment. However, cheating with computer assistance is likely to become a problem, as it is in chess.[1] (The state of the art in computer chess is now roughly at "laptop with off the shelf program can curb-stomp human…

What kind of configuration would you need to run the DeepMind setup? Looking at the wikipedia page if we assume the setup [1] there then it seems like at this time it would be out of the realm of feasibility at this time of setting up this software for cheating.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AlphaGo#Hardware

Re: In the Age of Google DeepMind, Do the Young Go Prodigies of Asia Have a Future?

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Post by mquander »

ng12 wrote: post #22
nothis wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like that analogy a lot! It's not like "playing Go really well" ever solved any real-world problem, it has always been a competition among humans. What should change, there?

I feel like the author completely misunderstood why AlphaGo is exciting. It's about advancements in technology and soft AI, Go has almost nothing to do with it.

Maybe that's why AlphaGo is exciting to you. I don't give a shit about technology and AI compared to how much I want to watch AlphaGo play more games of Go, and I suppose that professionals probably feel the same way.

Re: In the Age of Google DeepMind, Do the Young Go Prodigies of Asia Have a Future?

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Post by iopq »

zitterbewegung wrote: post #25
Animats wrote: post #13

From the article: "It is estimated that, of South Korea’s three hundred and twenty pros, only around fifty are able to earn a living on tournament winnings." This isn't going to result in massive unemployment. However, cheating with computer assistance is likely to become a problem, as it is in chess.[1] (The state of the art in computer chess is now roughly at "laptop with off the shelf program can curb-stomp human…

What kind of configuration would you need to run the DeepMind setup? Looking at the wikipedia page if we assume the setup [1] there then it seems like at this time it would be out of the realm of feasibility at this time of setting up this software for cheating. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AlphaGo#Hardware

But given the strength of the distributed program, the desktop version is already professional strength because of diminishing returns.

Re: In the Age of Google DeepMind, Do the Young Go Prodigies of Asia Have a Future?

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Post by aikinai »

zitterbewegung wrote: post #25
Animats wrote: post #13

From the article: "It is estimated that, of South Korea’s three hundred and twenty pros, only around fifty are able to earn a living on tournament winnings." This isn't going to result in massive unemployment. However, cheating with computer assistance is likely to become a problem, as it is in chess.[1] (The state of the art in computer chess is now roughly at "laptop with off the shelf program can curb-stomp human…

What kind of configuration would you need to run the DeepMind setup? Looking at the wikipedia page if we assume the setup [1] there then it seems like at this time it would be out of the realm of feasibility at this time of setting up this software for cheating. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AlphaGo#Hardware

Google's infrastructure gives it an extra boost, but even the single machine version can beat the distributed version 25% of the time.[1]

[1] https://twitter.com/demishassabis/status/708489093676568576

Re: In the Age of Google DeepMind, Do the Young Go Prodigies of Asia Have a Future?

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Post by mapt »

All AI does is remove the ability to progress through the ranks accurately via online play. Unregulated online competition will suddenly become a bumpy road full of Elo-breaking presences.

I gather this may be a Big Deal, but except insofar as it kills the sport by a thousand cuts, 'Young Go Prodigies' have nothing to worry about.

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