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Confessions of a Sydney surgeon: why your operation may not work

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Caldwell Esselstyn has proven that it's possible to cure heart disease such as angina with a low-fat, plant-based diet. He's written a book about this 20 year study: Prevent and Reverse Heart Disease: The Revolutionary, Scientifically Proven, Nutrition-Based Cure. I find it interesting that most doctors are continuing to recommend things like cardiac stenting. Maybe it's money? I wonder if they even mention diet to t…

My anecdotal inference is that they will recommend pills and surgery more often than diet and excercise, because most people want the quick fix solution and that it is very difficult to get someone to adhere to diets and excercise.

Again anecdotally, but consider the stories from people with diabetes who still won't eat well even when their foot was just amputated due to that behaviour.

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citation? This to me sounds incredibly high.

It is much lower. http://healthland.time.com/2011/08/04/under-the-knife-study-... "People have always been afraid of general anesthesia. Many fear they won’t wake up from this “artificial sleep” — actually more of a coma, albeit drug-induced and reversible. In the 1940s, for every one million patients operated on under full anesthesia, 640 died. By the end of the 1980s, fatalities were down to four per every million,…

5% death rate within a year doesnt sound lower..sounds significantly worse.

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> "But the decision to operate should be based on the best science, not on the worst-case scenario. If the best evidence tells us that a procedure is not effective, or that the benefits are outweighed by the risks for some patients, then it should not be done."

As long as patients can sue their doctor, no sane doctor will do less than what the patient wants if there is a remote chance the procedure is slightly more effective. A simple but prominent example is the prescription of a generic drug versus the "original". Science tells us that there is absolute no difference. Now you tell the patient - the same patient who feels a very real, "objective" decrease in pain when being injected a saline solution instead of steroids.

And last but not least: the "best science" does not help us if doctors don't know about it. And some treatments are so weird that a doctor won't even consider it. Three anecdotes on that from my last 2 years:

1) British guy with pain in his knee. His doctor has been urging him to operate for years now. But he works in Nigeria on a oil drilling project in a good position and rather would prefer to wait the few years until he retires. The local "joujou"-man told him to rub python fat into his knee. It works for him! He told his doctor in the UK who dismissed that and told him that he might get into trouble for repeatedly rejecting sound medical advice. Shortly after I meet this guy in the Caribbean on his holiday, he tells me that story, I am skeptical and do some googling: 5 Minutes later I find a scientific study that proved that python fat is indeed a very good treatment for his condition. He mailed that to his doctor who read it and now leaves him alone. Snake oil, anyone?

2) Sahrawi ecologist with kidney stones but without the money to pay for the medical procedure to have them removed. He turns to local folk medicine, for a week he drinks a concoction that makes the stones break up and he can pass them naturally pretty much without pain. His doctor in Rabat speaks of a "miracle".

3) Business man in Casablanca was told by his doctor that he either needs surgery on his knee or he should try the traditional desert treatment: Undress, get buried in hot sand, 30 minutes later get into a tent, firmly wrapped. Repeat for 3 days. When I met him he was on his way back from his 5th treatment - he says he does it every 2 years and thereby has avoided surgery for 10 years.

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citation? This to me sounds incredibly high.

It is much lower. http://healthland.time.com/2011/08/04/under-the-knife-study-... "People have always been afraid of general anesthesia. Many fear they won’t wake up from this “artificial sleep” — actually more of a coma, albeit drug-induced and reversible. In the 1940s, for every one million patients operated on under full anesthesia, 640 died. By the end of the 1980s, fatalities were down to four per every million,…

Within a year? But how many is caused directly by anesthesia?

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citation? This to me sounds incredibly high.

It is much lower. http://healthland.time.com/2011/08/04/under-the-knife-study-... "People have always been afraid of general anesthesia. Many fear they won’t wake up from this “artificial sleep” — actually more of a coma, albeit drug-induced and reversible. In the 1940s, for every one million patients operated on under full anesthesia, 640 died. By the end of the 1980s, fatalities were down to four per every million,…

And probably most of those are dead from their illness, complications here of, or some other illness. You can't tell me that there are even trace amounts of the drugs used in the body 1 month after general anesthesia, much less 12.

It is one of the most "technically true" facts I have ever seen.

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Appendectomy: The possibility of dying from a ruptured appendix is enough for surgeons to recommend this procedure but several studies have shown that antibiotics alone are also effective. The recurrence rate is higher with antibiotics, but the surgical complications are lower. I can think of a reason why the recurrence rate for appendectomy is lower than for antibiotics. ;-)

Much probably turns on the progression of the disease at the point of diagnosis. An infection only detected as an elevated white cell count in a clinic, without any localized pain/swelling, may be treatable with antibiotics. And that is probably safer than the knife. But an ER patient howling in pain with an appendix swollen and about to burst is no candidate for pills.

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A couple of years ago I slipped (herniated) two lumbar disks. Both of the surgeons I consulted begged me NOT to get surgery (one with tears in his eyes). I'm ever so grateful that there are surgeons out there who will push back. Contrast that with when I went to an orthopedic specialist about knee pain from running. In less than two minutes of consultation he told me he wanted to snip my tight IT bands. My jaw was on…

Acupuncture, there has been so much FUD spread about alternative medicine that I have no idea what to trust anymore. It isn't even covered by most insurance. What is real, who to trust.

Don't trust it, try it. If it works for you, it works. If not, try somewhere else. I've tried ayurveda, which even doesn't use needles, just some weird hippie waving with hands above me, not even touching me, and nothing else has give me so much energy back in a period when my energy was really low. I've tried acupuncture then as well, and various other alternative techniques. Most of them were very relaxing, like a day in a spa, and a day later the effect was gone.

I've tried to analyse what the therapist did, but couldn't explain it. The only - off the chart - explanation is that everything is energy, and that we have energy outside our body boundaries that can influence our well being. I'm pretty down to earth. I've met enough people who worship these alternative methods, and I don't. But if it works, it works, and I will use it.

So maybe this is not promoting acupuncture, but I'm just saying that these alternative methods can do stuff to me - but maybe not to you - and modern medicine cannot explain it. Acupuncture may work like this in another situation and for other persons.

Then there is another big thing regarding acupuncture, and that is holism, which makes the acupuncturist look at the whole picture, all your problems, qualities, strenghts and weaknesses.

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Acupuncture, there has been so much FUD spread about alternative medicine that I have no idea what to trust anymore. It isn't even covered by most insurance. What is real, who to trust.

You can look at sites like the Cochrane Collaboration or NICE. Cochrane provide meta-analysis of various treatments. The meta review include a good summary of the paper. Here's their list of stuff about acupuncture: http://www.cochrane.org/search/site/acupuncture NICE reviews evidence of safety and efficacy to try to decide if the English NHS should offer (and thus pay for) a treatment. Nice will sometimes say "do th…

The NICE results are interesting:

"Do not use acupuncture to treat hyperbilirubinaemia", "Do not offer acupuncture for treating lower urinary tract symptoms (LUTS) in men.", "Acupuncture is not recommended for the management of otitis media with effusion (OME)."

But it is an option for low back pain https://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/cg88/chapter/1-guidance

Re: Confessions of a Sydney surgeon: why your operation may not work

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is much lower. http://healthland.time.com/2011/08/04/under-the-knife-study-... "People have always been afraid of general anesthesia. Many fear they won’t wake up from this “artificial sleep” — actually more of a coma, albeit drug-induced and reversible. In the 1940s, for every one million patients operated on under full anesthesia, 640 died. By the end of the 1980s, fatalities were down to four per every million,…

5% death rate within a year doesnt sound lower..sounds significantly worse.

Death rate within a year is a really odd stat to couple with anesthesia. If you die six months after an operation, it's probably not the sedation.

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Appendectomy: The possibility of dying from a ruptured appendix is enough for surgeons to recommend this procedure but several studies have shown that antibiotics alone are also effective. The recurrence rate is higher with antibiotics, but the surgical complications are lower. I can think of a reason why the recurrence rate for appendectomy is lower than for antibiotics. ;-)

Much probably turns on the progression of the disease at the point of diagnosis. An infection only detected as an elevated white cell count in a clinic, without any localized pain/swelling, may be treatable with antibiotics. And that is probably safer than the knife. But an ER patient howling in pain with an appendix swollen and about to burst is no candidate for pills.

Yes, but the recurrence rate will be lower if you get an appendectomy.
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