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Outlook 2016’s New POP3 Bug Deletes Your Emails

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Re: Outlook 2016’s New POP3 Bug Deletes Your Emails

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Post by my5thaccount »

raverbashing wrote: post #16
my5thaccount wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's hard to explain to people, who aren't techies, why I, as a programmer, don't have the latest and greatest software installed asap. I still use Visual Source Safe for my personal projects. It's never failed me in 20 years. Right click, check out, right click checkin. Perfect every time.

I believe you only use VSS because you never knew anything better (AND you work alone), because that's like cutting a steak with a butter knife

Wow, the vitriol is thick tonight. I also work in teams and like I said in the other comment, I use different flavors of version control on those projects.

Re: Outlook 2016’s New POP3 Bug Deletes Your Emails

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Post by microtonal »

raverbashing wrote: post #15
username223 wrote: post #4

> UPDATE 02/26/2016: ... TL;DR: Disable automatic updates... That's just good advice for dealing with modern software, for which fixes, breakage, and feature churn are all mixed in a single awful stream. "Newer" does not mean "better."

As someone who recently had Android 6.0 available for their phone and decided to upgrade, exactly this Some genius at Google decided to make the phone vibrate and beep every time there is an open WiFi spot, or you need to sign up to a known one Really This kind of crap (not the only one) almost justifies the extra price for iOS

I (Moto X 2014) got a different set of bugs on M. Mostly problems with basic functionality:

- When I get called, half of the time I don't see the name of the person when they are in my address book.

- Music controls (which were already very basic) usually stopped working a certain amount of time after the last restart.

- Music randomly pauses when browsing the web at the same time (as in, I have to open up the music notification card and press 'Play' again).

- E-Mail notifications have been flaky for some reason.

- Active display music controls are worthless again. Google decided to add a 'favorite' button. Motorola just picks the first three buttons from the notification card. Now you can't go to the next track anymore.

Security updates were also still at the 1 November 2015 level. After being stuck for half a year on a buggy 5.0 release before getting 5.1, I know this is going to take months to fix, if ever (Lenovo probably doesn't care about the 2014 anymore).

I am now back to an iPhone after a Nexus 4, Moto X 2013, and Moto X 2014.

Re: Outlook 2016’s New POP3 Bug Deletes Your Emails

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Post by raverbashing »

my5thaccount wrote: post #21
raverbashing wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe you only use VSS because you never knew anything better (AND you work alone), because that's like cutting a steak with a butter knife

Wow, the vitriol is thick tonight. I also work in teams and like I said in the other comment, I use different flavors of version control on those projects.

Ah now I saw your other comment

Well, to each their own I suppose

Re: Outlook 2016’s New POP3 Bug Deletes Your Emails

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Post by frik »

AlexTes wrote: post #19
username223 wrote: post #4

> UPDATE 02/26/2016: ... TL;DR: Disable automatic updates... That's just good advice for dealing with modern software, for which fixes, breakage, and feature churn are all mixed in a single awful stream. "Newer" does not mean "better."

I use near weekly updates of a custom Android 6.0 ROM and daily use Arch Linux which is a rolling release. My work is on the web with npm keeping us bleeding edge. Other people often ask why my system does this little extra thing that's useful. Usually the answer is found by --version. Life with up to date tools can be real good. So unless I'm simply the only one using good tools, updates can be good.

It depends. With rather new still evolving ecosystems, every update is welcome. Also the security updates are important for OS and browsers.

But with stagnating platforms, like Windows where tipping point was Windows XP (or Windows 7), it goes downhill with every update since then, the bubble bursted, now the user is the product, and your files get screened and searched by the platform owners. You can run software from 1985 (Win 1.0) on Windows 7 (32bit, but it's just an arbitrary limitation to prevent 16bit applications from running on 64bit OS, the competition can do that see Wine and ReactOS). Almost every developer already moved on to the web or emerging new platforms like the market share dominating Android or the second most popular one, iOS/OSX. End users are smart, they don't buy into old antique burned platforms of yesteryear anymore. They application landscape is changing as well. And for everyone who is still happy with their old software, there is little reason to update, and it won't get better on sinking platforms.

Re: Outlook 2016’s New POP3 Bug Deletes Your Emails

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Post by tasty_freeze »

Nutmog wrote: post #5
username223 wrote: post #4

> UPDATE 02/26/2016: ... TL;DR: Disable automatic updates... That's just good advice for dealing with modern software, for which fixes, breakage, and feature churn are all mixed in a single awful stream. "Newer" does not mean "better."

I almost totally agree. If it wasn't for security fixes, there would be no value in updating almost any software. If it's already working OK, just leave it alone. 15 years ago when people had problems with their graphics cards, the standard "fix" was to update the driver. Now we're still updating drivers. Weren't the problems supposed to have been fixed many years ago? It seems they introduce as many new bugs as they…

"Now we're still updating drivers. Weren't the problems supposed to have been fixed many years ago?"

Your statement makes sense if you believe that graphics card manufacturers were still working on drivers for 15 year old cards and 15 year old APIs.

Manufacturers are always putting out new cards, and there are new APIs to support. Writing drives for dozens of chips spanning multiple generations of graphics architectures to work on multiple OSs and supporting multiple APIs is incredibly challenging.

Even if there was just one chip and one OS and one API to support, getting maximum performance across multiple applications is non-trivial. Drivers have a lot of heuristics to try to maximize performance, and manufacturers invest heavily in tuning those heuristics even to specific games to get the best results.

If you aren't a gamer, then, yeah, you can run three year old drivers and it won't affect the speed of scrolling the text in your browsers or whatever.

Re: Outlook 2016’s New POP3 Bug Deletes Your Emails

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Post by TwoBit »

my5thaccount wrote: post #6
Nutmog wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I almost totally agree. If it wasn't for security fixes, there would be no value in updating almost any software. If it's already working OK, just leave it alone. 15 years ago when people had problems with their graphics cards, the standard "fix" was to update the driver. Now we're still updating drivers. Weren't the problems supposed to have been fixed many years ago? It seems they introduce as many new bugs as they…

It's hard to explain to people, who aren't techies, why I, as a programmer, don't have the latest and greatest software installed asap. I still use Visual Source Safe for my personal projects. It's never failed me in 20 years. Right click, check out, right click checkin. Perfect every time.

I'm amazed that you find VSS reliable. Everybody I've known who used it back in the 90s (including my team) had to dump it because it so easily got corrupted. Aside from git and mercurial, you can use Perforce personal for free.

Re: Outlook 2016’s New POP3 Bug Deletes Your Emails

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Post by keithpeter »

frik wrote: post #18
chris_wot wrote: post #2

It's POP3. Seriously, one of the easiest to understand mailbox protocols ever. HOW could Microsoft stuff up something like this so badly? Look, I know that mistakes can be made. But in this case, I just can't think of a single excuse that would be satisfactory.

Look what Microsoft did with *.odt (OpenOffice/LibreOffice) compatibility. Now they show bogus security and compatibility warning dialogs if you open or save such a file. Look what they do with IMAP support in Outlook 2016. Pre-loading just the "Subject" (a feature supported since 1990s) got dropped, instead of the whole email incl attachments is downloaded. And now we learn POP3 got crippled too. The common Microsof…

"Look what Microsoft did with .odt (OpenOffice/LibreOffice) compatibility. Now they show bogus security and compatibility warning dialogs if you open or save such a file."*

To be fair, oOo and LO always warn you when you want to save a file in MS Office format. Mind you, you can turn the notification off.

Food for thought: one of my employers now deploys OpenOffice as well as MS Office after years of resisting that because of fears of user confusion. Guess what? No confusion apparent.

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