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Is this a reason to vote Brexit? I would like to be able to vote out any political party that is entering into such an agreement, but if it's the EU's bureaucracy itself I have no democratic way to do so. (I'm asking this sincerely. I don't yet know enough to be able to be for or against Brexit.)
Is this a reason to vote Brexit? I would like to be able to vote out any political party that is entering into such an agreement, but if it's the EU's bureaucracy itself I have no democratic way to do so. (I'm asking this sincerely. I don't yet know enough to be able to be for or against Brexit.)
Believe TTIP is being pushed by the UK government and resisted by countries in Europe.
democracy was dismantled a long time ago by corporate manipulation remember how Obama was going to ban lobbyists? ha
Note that TTIP still has to be agreed upon by the EU Parliament. Personally I don't really care what the lobbyists are writing in secret. At some point they have to present to the EUP (where we actually have representation) and they have been very consistent at shutting down the crap that the corporations try to get through. It's not that secret. It's secret while they work on it, sure, but I've watched countless deb…
Sure why not, they've done such a great job so far at protecting Europeans in general and Greeks in particular.
Note that TTIP still has to be agreed upon by the EU Parliament. Personally I don't really care what the lobbyists are writing in secret. At some point they have to present to the EUP (where we actually have representation) and they have been very consistent at shutting down the crap that the corporations try to get through. It's not that secret. It's secret while they work on it, sure, but I've watched countless deb…
What makes you think the lobbyists haven't already "processed" MEPs? European institutions, no matter how high-level, haven't exactly been showing great judgement or interest in doing the good thing.
Examples:
* UK MP on transparency - http://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/feb/18/mps-can-view...
* German MP on what is NOT in the documents - http://www.waronwant.org/media/what-i-didn%E2%80%99t-read-tt...
Is this a reason to vote Brexit? I would like to be able to vote out any political party that is entering into such an agreement, but if it's the EU's bureaucracy itself I have no democratic way to do so. (I'm asking this sincerely. I don't yet know enough to be able to be for or against Brexit.)
Believe TTIP is being pushed by the UK government and resisted by countries in Europe.
Note that TTIP still has to be agreed upon by the EU Parliament. Personally I don't really care what the lobbyists are writing in secret. At some point they have to present to the EUP (where we actually have representation) and they have been very consistent at shutting down the crap that the corporations try to get through. It's not that secret. It's secret while they work on it, sure, but I've watched countless deb…
"I still have faith that Parliament can protect us" Sure why not, they've done such a great job so far at protecting Europeans in general and Greeks in particular.
These sweeping treaties (they are not agreements) lay the foundation of world government. yiu can be certain that nothing good will come from politicians secretly meeting to talk about a plan that no one is sharing. These treaties provide for unprecedented power to corporations to determine the goods and services to be traded. They are stripping away the boarders and soon the beast will be revealed.
The word of the decade is transparency, you assumed it was the government being transparent when in fact it is you and me that are transparent to the governments and corporations.
democracy was dismantled a long time ago by corporate manipulation remember how Obama was going to ban lobbyists? ha
>democracy was dismantled a long time ago by corporate manipulation In the US, yes. Now they are spreading it to Europe with TTIP. Edit: Not that Europe is some sort of magical haven of democracy currently, but this surely won't improve the situation.
I recommend this lecture by Varoufakis (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCA68U3P_Z8) where he explains his experience.
In fact, I think that the situation is worse in Europe that in the States. The members of the Euro have very limited capacity of action because they have lost control of monetary policy to "higher" authorities.
TTIP will have a similar effect, democratic governments constrained by rules sets in treaties almost impossible to change.
My personal opinion is that this is the real goal of TTIP.