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What 5G Will Mean for You

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Re: What 5G Will Mean for You

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> What 5G Will Mean for You Absolutely nothing for the next 20 years, seeing how my carrier just started deploying LTE (50 MBit, that is, not 300 MBit) at eye-watering costs ($20 a month for 5 gigabytes!).

Switch to T-Mobile. Unlimited data + LTE.

With T-Mobile Austria, "unlimited" means 15 GB with throttling to ISDN speeds afterwards, with some of the worst support in continental Europe.

Re: What 5G Will Mean for You

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Personally, I'm just hoping that 3G will eventually make it to England. That seems more realistic, though I don't doubt that the Bay Area will be happily basking in this 5G niceness by the time it happens. I just got back from 3 months in Southeast Asia, and it's just baffling to me how I could get fast data to my phone in virtually unlimited quantities, out in the sticks of rural Cambodia, for five dollars. But comi…

The cellular coverage in Southeast Asia was surprising for me as well. I'd like to know the economics behind this, I guess the main considerations are: - energy consumption - rent for antennas on other people's houses - data backhaul - population density

Still not sure how that explains the differences.

Re: What 5G Will Mean for You

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post #10

4G definitions are still largely being fought over, and you're gonna try and jam "5G" down my throat? The entire article is complete speculation, and the sad part is that they don't even talk about the cooler ideas they're coming up with for the specification. For anyone wondering about 5G I think the coolest thing they've discussed so far is breaking down the different use cases (people in home, people traveling on…

>They're trying to come up with sub specifications to encompass more types of network use cases rather than thinking "xG is for cellular phones" it'll be more like 5Gx is spectrum/protocol for home internet, 5Gy is the spectrum/protocol the phone uses. Although from a marketing prospective this will sound like "Bring 5G to your home." Intermingling the data and transport layers initially strikes me as a bad thing. Wh…

I imagine supporting signaling in motion and with limited battery and heat budget has a very different profile than at a fixed point with task-specific hardware.

Re: What 5G Will Mean for You

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post #10

4G definitions are still largely being fought over, and you're gonna try and jam "5G" down my throat? The entire article is complete speculation, and the sad part is that they don't even talk about the cooler ideas they're coming up with for the specification. For anyone wondering about 5G I think the coolest thing they've discussed so far is breaking down the different use cases (people in home, people traveling on…

>They're trying to come up with sub specifications to encompass more types of network use cases rather than thinking "xG is for cellular phones" it'll be more like 5Gx is spectrum/protocol for home internet, 5Gy is the spectrum/protocol the phone uses. Although from a marketing prospective this will sound like "Bring 5G to your home." Intermingling the data and transport layers initially strikes me as a bad thing. Wh…

That the data and transport layers are almost always intermingled, because the "OSI network model" you were taught about in school is basically a lie.

(At least inasmuch as it is claimed to describe anything in the real world. As a source of vocabulary, it's at least OK, though it does suffer from people using numbers where I would rather they used the names of the layers. Much like RAID terminology is still impenetrable to me despite the several dozen times I've read the definitions.)

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> Driverless cars with extremely fast response times Seems like relying on low network latency for critical safety features is designing a fundamentally flawed system. Is this really how driverless cars are being made or is the author just pulling things from his ass

Surely it's the latter. Driverless cars that rely on Internet access would not be feasible, for obvious reasons.

Driverless cars will likely eventually communicate via some peer-to-peer wireless technology, but I would assume that would use a different set of protocols than our mobile phones do.

Re: What 5G Will Mean for You

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Personally, I'm just hoping that 3G will eventually make it to England. That seems more realistic, though I don't doubt that the Bay Area will be happily basking in this 5G niceness by the time it happens. I just got back from 3 months in Southeast Asia, and it's just baffling to me how I could get fast data to my phone in virtually unlimited quantities, out in the sticks of rural Cambodia, for five dollars. But comi…

> I'm just hoping that 3G will eventually make it to England.

3G is a useless technology and absolutely pointless in perusing at this point. It's cheaper and better to just go with LTE and there is a bit of room for upgrading in that stack.

Re: What 5G Will Mean for You

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Personally, I'm just hoping that 3G will eventually make it to England. That seems more realistic, though I don't doubt that the Bay Area will be happily basking in this 5G niceness by the time it happens. I just got back from 3 months in Southeast Asia, and it's just baffling to me how I could get fast data to my phone in virtually unlimited quantities, out in the sticks of rural Cambodia, for five dollars. But comi…

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Re: What 5G Will Mean for You

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4G definitions are still largely being fought over, and you're gonna try and jam "5G" down my throat? The entire article is complete speculation, and the sad part is that they don't even talk about the cooler ideas they're coming up with for the specification. For anyone wondering about 5G I think the coolest thing they've discussed so far is breaking down the different use cases (people in home, people traveling on…

This is totally wishful thinking. No one in industry has a slightest idea what 5G will be. We keep throwing fancy terms like eNodeB virtualization and then we have a reality check - LTE userplane cannot be virtualized due latency and performance reasons (LTE PHY on x86 - yeah, right...).

Same goes to those mm waves with beamforming - no DSP (IP core) can handle it now and even soon. You need to stick with very expensive FPGAs. Besides that there is WiGig coming and you can offload traffic from LTE to Wifi - investing in those mm wave small cells seems rather pointless.

Beside that you can get those multi-Gbps with new Rel13 LTE carrier aggregation (up 32 CC).

Re: What 5G Will Mean for You

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> With 5G, downloading feature-length movies could take less than five seconds. > With 4G, downloading feature-length movies could take as long as eight minutes. Am I wrong in thinking that an operator would prefer to keep their antenna busy for only 5 seconds instead of for 8 minutes? If this is the case, if they have enough bandwidth to the antenna, they should try to move people to 5G quickly. But you still need 9…

What's a monthly cap?

It's that small hat that you're supposed to change every 30 days.

Re: What 5G Will Mean for You

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Personally, I'm just hoping that 3G will eventually make it to England. That seems more realistic, though I don't doubt that the Bay Area will be happily basking in this 5G niceness by the time it happens. I just got back from 3 months in Southeast Asia, and it's just baffling to me how I could get fast data to my phone in virtually unlimited quantities, out in the sticks of rural Cambodia, for five dollars. But comi…

The cellular coverage in Southeast Asia was surprising for me as well. I'd like to know the economics behind this, I guess the main considerations are: - energy consumption - rent for antennas on other people's houses - data backhaul - population density Still not sure how that explains the differences.

Cell coverage makes absolutely no sense to me. Austria and Switzerland have amazing mobile coverage but at the same time few people living there yet there is 4G everywhere. Might sound like those are small countries, but they are also really spread out and hard to provide service for (lots of mountains). Yet the UK for instance has abysmal mobile coverage even in the densest populated areas.

I can only assume that the general environment is different (regulatory, government subsidies etc.).

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