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Re: My New Philosophy Website

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You seem to respect tradition quite a bit compared to myself. I have a question: If we lived in ancient Rome, would you have a similar respect for their traditions?

engages alternate reality machine

Clearly our Roman traditions must be doing something right. After all, they have allowed us to build a rich and prosperous empire. It is good to follow these traditions of slavery, genocide, and chauvinism when we can, for they contain valuable knowledge.

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I know my example is contrived and somewhat silly, but somehow we got from ancient Rome to the modern world. This wasn't just due to change in technology or median income, it was from change in traditions and morality. I think it's incredibly egocentric to assume that we, today, have stumbled on the "best" set of traditions.

Which brings me to my real question: Why did you pick those traditions? If you were from a different culture, you would have picked different traditions. If you have some underlying reason for picking those traditions, why not make that the tradition to follow?

Re: My New Philosophy Website

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I read over the "Capitalism" essay, and it was full of simplistic, thoroughly-used ideas with a strong Randian smell. What is interesting about this site? What does it add to the conversation that's new? How is this different from Yet Another Crank Amateur Internet Philosopher Blog (YACAIPB)?

Re: My New Philosophy Website

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post #19

This would be far more interesting if you kept the premises to yourself and got busy with the applications. Delete your essay about why capitalism is good, and replace it with an essay extolling the virtues of price gouging during natural disasters. (Price gouging during natural disasters is a good thing, because it encourages the accumulation of excess gougable goods. If a hurricane means you can rent your $500 chai…

Of course, gouging may also attract social opprobrium or worse, get you killed.

That's why you need to spread the wisdom about the benefits of gouging _before_ the disaster.

Re: My New Philosophy Website

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You seem to respect tradition quite a bit compared to myself. I have a question: If we lived in ancient Rome, would you have a similar respect for their traditions? engages alternate reality machine Clearly our Roman traditions must be doing something right. After all, they have allowed us to build a rich and prosperous empire. It is good to follow these traditions of slavery, genocide, and chauvinism when we can, fo…

That's a good question. I would take the same attitude in Roman times. Their traditions had a lot of flaws, but they were (in most respects) the best knowledge available at the time. I don't think people could have improved from Roman times by ignoring or disrespecting what they already did know then.

I think you've misunderstood a bit because I am not saying our current traditions are the best possible traditions. (That wouldn't even make much sense because they contradict each other frequently.) I am in favor of changing traditions in a gradualist, piecemeal fashion because I think that's the most effective way to make progress.

You might compare it to updating big, messy legacy code systems. You want to do one thing at a time and then run the code or the tests to make sure you didn't break anything and the change works as intended. If you add a bunch of stuff at once, and then there's a problem, it's harder to figure out which change was behind it.

Re: My New Philosophy Website

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You seem to respect tradition quite a bit compared to myself. I have a question: If we lived in ancient Rome, would you have a similar respect for their traditions? engages alternate reality machine Clearly our Roman traditions must be doing something right. After all, they have allowed us to build a rich and prosperous empire. It is good to follow these traditions of slavery, genocide, and chauvinism when we can, fo…

I think you nailed the problem I had with this too. The future is not measured by years, technology, or economics. It's measured by how much it disagrees with the past about what is and is not important.

Re: My New Philosophy Website

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Font size is huuuuge for me: http://i50.tinypic.com/cp06h.jpg Or at least, not the most readable. Pressing ctrl+- from that is much better. On a side note, I feel the front page lacks structure. What are the links? Do they follow on from each other? Or can I just read each "block". Why are they separated into blocks?

The text in your jpg picture doesn't look huge to me. I think people have widely varying taste in font size. I don't really know what I should set the default as. Anyone got general advice? About the structure, they are vaguely intended to be read in order, and they are grouped into related topics, but it's not especially important which is why I didn't emphasize it more.

There seems to be a dichotomy between the font sizers favored by designers, particularly of Wordpress themes, and most readers: the former like smaller font sizes that look better when taken as part of the whole graphical packages, while the latter like larger fonts. I remember Joel Spolsky saying somewhere that he thought part of the reason Joel on Software succeeded in attracting visitors was/is because of its large font relative to many other software development websites. He was joking—but only in part.

Incidentally, the small font size defaults caused me to buy the CSS upgrade at Wordpress for The Story's Story at http://jseliger.com . You tell me if it looks better than most other Wordpress blogs you've seen based the size of its font.

Re: My New Philosophy Website

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You seem to respect tradition quite a bit compared to myself. I have a question: If we lived in ancient Rome, would you have a similar respect for their traditions? engages alternate reality machine Clearly our Roman traditions must be doing something right. After all, they have allowed us to build a rich and prosperous empire. It is good to follow these traditions of slavery, genocide, and chauvinism when we can, fo…

That's a good question. I would take the same attitude in Roman times. Their traditions had a lot of flaws, but they were (in most respects) the best knowledge available at the time. I don't think people could have improved from Roman times by ignoring or disrespecting what they already did know then. I think you've misunderstood a bit because I am not saying our current traditions are the best possible traditions. (…

Hmm, that's a consistent approach, but it reminds me of a hill-climbing algorithm. Don't you think we could do better?

For example, it would probably be helpful to study how cultures and traditions changed in the past. At some point, some guy changed his mind from pro-slavery to anti-slavery without initially wanting to become anti-slavery. How did this happen? If we could identify the sort of thought process that leads to these novel conclusions, we could apply it to our own traditions and figure out beneficial changes.

Re: My New Philosophy Website

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Those interested in the art of human rationality should check out these two excellent sister sites: http://lesswrong.com (click on the about page, and then start with the post sequences linked next to "about", not with the most recent posts) http://www.overcomingbias.com

Agreed. Most of my posts here are based on ideas I read on Less Wrong and Overcoming Bias. Anyone who hasn't visited these sites should probably take a look at the sequences:

http://wiki.lesswrong.com/wiki/Sequences

http://wiki.lesswrong.com/wiki/Map_and_Territory_(sequence)

http://wiki.lesswrong.com/wiki/Mysterious_Answers_to_Mysteri...

http://wiki.lesswrong.com/wiki/How_To_Actually_Change_Your_M...

The meta-ethics sequence is probably the closest thing to what I read on fallibleideas.com: http://wiki.lesswrong.com/wiki/Metaethics_sequence

If you're easily distracted on a computer and you want this sort of stuff in book form, I recommend Good and Real: Demystifying Paradoxes from Physics to Ethics by Gary Drescher.

Re: My New Philosophy Website

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a good question. I would take the same attitude in Roman times. Their traditions had a lot of flaws, but they were (in most respects) the best knowledge available at the time. I don't think people could have improved from Roman times by ignoring or disrespecting what they already did know then. I think you've misunderstood a bit because I am not saying our current traditions are the best possible traditions. (…

Hmm, that's a consistent approach, but it reminds me of a hill-climbing algorithm. Don't you think we could do better? For example, it would probably be helpful to study how cultures and traditions changed in the past. At some point, some guy changed his mind from pro-slavery to anti-slavery without initially wanting to become anti-slavery . How did this happen? If we could identify the sort of thought process that l…

I'd be happy to do better, but I don't see any limits my approach imposes that are problematic.

For slavery, I think he first noticed some kind of problem. Maybe he was a slave owner and didn't like disobedient, unproductive, or dishonest slaves. He may have at first thought this was just a problem with how he treated his own slaves that his neighbors had already fixed.

So he goes and asks his neighbors about it. He's not trying to rock the boat, just make a bit more money. He finds out his neighbors have the same problem. So that pushes him in the direction of seeing it as a problem with slavery in general. But he still expects there will be a solution that keeps slavery more or less in tact.

So then he looks for a solution. He tries different ways of treating his slaves and tries to figure out which result in more cotton production. As he learns about what works, it gradually leads him away from slavery.

This example shows how someone could end up becoming anti-slavery by accident, just by trying to solve immediate, practical problems.

There were also other ways to become opposed to slavery. For example, one could notice that slavery is an exception to widespread traditions that existed at the time. And one could wonder: what is the reason for making this exception? People did wonder that, and they had answers like that black people are less than human. But one could notice problems with those answers. They aren't very intellectually satisfying arguments and they had logical flaws. Or one might talk to a black man for an hour and notice he seems like a normal human.

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