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Re: Google Buzz

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I find it very odd that they depict the iPhone on top of the N1. To me, that conveys a position of higher status for Google's competitor and that doesn't make much sense.

Everyone recognizes the iPhone, very few will know what the N1 is.

Re: Google Buzz

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post #6

I find it very odd that they depict the iPhone on top of the N1. To me, that conveys a position of higher status for Google's competitor and that doesn't make much sense.

There are many, many more iPhones and iPod Touches out there than there are Nexus Ones. Google wants as many people as possible to be using this, so they're showing these people that it will work with their devices.

They'll save the 'superior device' angle for other features where the size of the user base is less important (GPS Navigation).

Re: Google Buzz

#23

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Google has always been this way as far as I can tell. They're basically using Microsoft's old strategy of "clone it and give it away so we can sell more of Windows" only with Google it's ads. The difference is everyone still loves them. Microsoft was seen as ruthlessly destroying their competition. Google is seen as innovative. Bizarre.

Open source software is frequently a clone of commercial software and free. If that were enough to be "evil" then everything would be evil. Nobody is claiming that Google is innovative in this example.

It's better than Twitter and FF because the messages can be larger. Images and videos look better. You can see a conversation inline. etc.

It's taking the best of the Twitter ecosystem, Twitter, Friendfeed and putting it into Google's social graph. It's innovative with the combination of features they've chosen to employ, but it's not original, though. Search was never new when Google started either, remember.

-- edit: I am going to use Buzz to start blogging again. Instant viewer base, who I can identify.

Re: Google Buzz

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Is Google becoming the new Microsoft? Not in the evil sense, but in the lame me-too products that rely on brute force (their huge install base) and no innovation to hopelessly try to compete sense.

From the looks of it, Google has integrated Buzz into their existing products (gmail, maps, places) that makes it more than just a me-too product. Specifically, a big advantage is in the way Buzz integrates with Gmail - it's brilliant.

Compare how you would reply to an email notification from Facebook or Twitter: you'd have to login to the site and post your reply (or even see the actual reply) there. With Buzz, it's inline.

Re: Google Buzz

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google has always been this way as far as I can tell. They're basically using Microsoft's old strategy of "clone it and give it away so we can sell more of Windows" only with Google it's ads. The difference is everyone still loves them. Microsoft was seen as ruthlessly destroying their competition. Google is seen as innovative. Bizarre.

Open source software is frequently a clone of commercial software and free. If that were enough to be "evil" then everything would be evil. Nobody is claiming that Google is innovative in this example.

Most true open source software doesn't have the launch pad of GMail either. Besides that, the fact that the open source community clones software and gives it away is just as sad. Open sourcing something doesn't make it pure.

If that were enough to be "evil" then everything would be evil.

I don't care if Google is evil. They're a large corporation trying to make money like any other. They don't care about us.

* Nobody is claiming that Google is innovative in this example.*

My point was that the vast majority of Google's products are clones and yet they're still considered innovative where the same is true of Microsoft and they are not thought of that way.

Re: Google Buzz

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Is Google becoming the new Microsoft? Not in the evil sense, but in the lame me-too products that rely on brute force (their huge install base) and no innovation to hopelessly try to compete sense.

From the looks of it, Google has integrated Buzz into their existing products (gmail, maps, places) that makes it more than just a me-too product. Specifically, a big advantage is in the way Buzz integrates with Gmail - it's brilliant. Compare how you would reply to an email notification from Facebook or Twitter: you'd have to login to the site and post your reply (or even see the actual reply) there. With Buzz, it's…

Which assumes people don't move to Facebook email.

Migration of my friends to FB email seems far more likely to me than migration of all my social graph to Google Buzz.

It would also be trivial for FB to allow response to notifications via external email if they decide to do it.

I think people are seriously underestimating the value of Facebook's existing graphs. They've been shaped over a couple of years now to what most people want them to be. The vast majority are not going to leave that behind for a me-too service.

Re: Google Buzz

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I really liked Chris Dixon's post "What's strategic for Google?" from a while back: http://cdixon.org/2009/12/30/whats-strategic-for-google/ ... following his line of thinking, this may be a lame me-too product, but they _have_ to run it anyway: if they allow Facebook to move a lot of user-hours away from the internet to what is really a big intranet, that would kill Google's revenue.

Right, so the interesting twist in Google's story is that because of their dominance in the open web it is in their interest to protect the open nature of the web, rather than lock users into another walled garden. That's pretty cool, and I think they've been very smart to position themselves that way. It's still surprising how they completely fail to innovate in some areas, though.

And how much I personally use this will hinge fully on how well they do on making this as open as possible. If this has a solid API, and it's easy for an ecosystem of associated tools to grow around this, then I'll probably end up using it a good bit.

Re: Google Buzz

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That's an interesting perspective. That would sort of put them in the 'evil' bucket, and I really don't think they are (or maybe I'm being naive?)

They're certainly doing their best to hijack the "Buzz" product name away from Yahoo!.

Or the buzz.com domain from AT&T.

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1079765

AT&T To Launch Yelp Competitor - The telco's buzz.com site lets users' "favorite" local vendors and services.

Re: Google Buzz

#30

Thought it was a little funny to see that http://buzz.com/ seems to be a similar unlaunched service from AT&T with the same name. It seems they've managed to roll up what a lot of others were doing into a seemly nicely integrated package. I would like to think that this will give location based networks the push they need to become more mainstream.

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1079765
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