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Apple Letter on iPhone Security Draws Muted Tech Industry Response

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Re: Apple Letter on iPhone Security Draws Muted Tech Industry Response

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What sets Apple apart from Googles and Facebooks is that it's the only company that stores the data in way that Apple itself cannot read it. This is why the others have little to say on the subject - there is no issue of a "backdoor", because there is no wall to begin with when it comes to Google or FB, their business model depends on reading and analyzing your emails and posts.

Probably because at Apple the consumer is not the product.

The product is the consumer.

Re: Apple Letter on iPhone Security Draws Muted Tech Industry Response

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Tim Cook is the only one doing the right thing here. Because it was Tim Cook who was dragged into this mess. What if the shooter had an Android phone, rather than an iPhone? I'm sure Lary Page would be penning a similar letter, in that situation.

Hah, that's a laugh. If it were an Android phone, the feds wouldn't have had to call anyone. They'd have just broken the device's security and gotten what they wanted. Only Apple takes security seriously .

This is a recent development. Apple only started to care about iOS security around 2012 for example.

Re: Apple Letter on iPhone Security Draws Muted Tech Industry Response

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post #20

I think it's interesting to note that Apple has complied with requests from law enforcement in the past... Of the total number of requests, which Apple references here: http://www.apple.com/privacy/government-information-requests... > 94% were Device Requests--law enforcement seeking a stolen device > 6% were Account Requests--law enforcement seeking personal information > 27% of U.S. account requests received betwee…

>I think it's interesting to note that Apple has complied with requests from law enforcement in the past... It's also very important to note that preview law enforcement requests are not in the same scope as the FBI's request published yesterday. All of the information disclosed above is data held by Apple . The new request is for Apple to commit development resources to produce brand new software, not just turn over…

Agreed...there is a difference...a whole new precedent may be set when all this is sorted...

Re: Apple Letter on iPhone Security Draws Muted Tech Industry Response

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I think it's interesting to note that Apple has complied with requests from law enforcement in the past... Of the total number of requests, which Apple references here: http://www.apple.com/privacy/government-information-requests... > 94% were Device Requests--law enforcement seeking a stolen device > 6% were Account Requests--law enforcement seeking personal information > 27% of U.S. account requests received betwee…

Yeah, that 94%, keep reading the phrase man: The vast majority of the requests Apple receives from law enforcement ->>> come from an agency working on behalf of a customer who has requested assistance locating a stolen device <<---. Read also the guidelines to see which information Apple does give its really interesting and i think they are one of the few companies to be strong regarding user rights.

Re: Apple Letter on iPhone Security Draws Muted Tech Industry Response

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post #7

What sets Apple apart from Googles and Facebooks is that it's the only company that stores the data in way that Apple itself cannot read it. This is why the others have little to say on the subject - there is no issue of a "backdoor", because there is no wall to begin with when it comes to Google or FB, their business model depends on reading and analyzing your emails and posts.

Don’t the modern Android phones with Trusted Execution Environment do about the same?

I think what gtrubetskoy is talking about is Google (namely: search, Gmail, calendar, contacts, Plus--which are all tied to your Google account) and Facebook (namely: relationships, posting content, private messages, what you look at, etc) is information which is then mined or allowed to be targeted by advertisers for a handsome profit.

Apple doesn't do that. Their iAds are nothing in comparison to Google/FB's data mining. The only thing you get to go off of is the Advertising Identifier and the user can change/reset that at any moment effectively not tying them to any specific targeting.

I'm not sure what could be said of iCloud, but Apple itself isn't a big player in the ad-selling market unlike Google and Facebook. So unless Apple is straight selling off iCloud user data, it's a different ballgame.

edit: you also have to take into account Google and FB's ability to track you across the (near)-ENTIRE internet. Every FB/G-Plus share button, every video, image, asset loaded from FB/Google can track you via cookies. You could be reading a blog about pregnancies and how to prepare for a newborn on a cute little blog and Facebook may then target you for pregnancy/newborn products and services, etc. Unlike Apple, Google and Facebook aren't limited to their own properties in terms of info harvesting and ad-targeting.

Re: Apple Letter on iPhone Security Draws Muted Tech Industry Response

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hah, that's a laugh. If it were an Android phone, the feds wouldn't have had to call anyone. They'd have just broken the device's security and gotten what they wanted. Only Apple takes security seriously .

This is a recent development. Apple only started to care about iOS security around 2012 for example.

At least someone is.

Re: Apple Letter on iPhone Security Draws Muted Tech Industry Response

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post #20

I think it's interesting to note that Apple has complied with requests from law enforcement in the past... Of the total number of requests, which Apple references here: http://www.apple.com/privacy/government-information-requests... > 94% were Device Requests--law enforcement seeking a stolen device > 6% were Account Requests--law enforcement seeking personal information > 27% of U.S. account requests received betwee…

>I think it's interesting to note that Apple has complied with requests from law enforcement in the past... It's also very important to note that preview law enforcement requests are not in the same scope as the FBI's request published yesterday. All of the information disclosed above is data held by Apple . The new request is for Apple to commit development resources to produce brand new software, not just turn over…

Brand new software that-- and this seems to be missed in the wider discussion-- may be impossible to produce. It may not be possibly for Apple to comply. For instance, you can't install firmware on a locked phone.

Re: Apple Letter on iPhone Security Draws Muted Tech Industry Response

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John McAfee has posted his response: http://www.businessinsider.com/john-mcafee-ill-decrypt-san-b...

As usual for him, it's hyperbolic and over the top.

It starts with this...

> This is a black day and the beginning of the end of the US as a world power.

And snowballs into this:

> And why do the best hackers on the planet not work for the FBI? Because the FBI will not hire anyone with a 24-inch purple mohawk, 10-gauge ear piercings, and a tattooed face who demands to smoke weed while working and won't work for less than a half-million dollars a year. But you bet your ass that the Chinese and Russians are hiring similar people with similar demands and have been for many years. It's why we are decades behind in the cyber race.

Yes, McAfee just said that the Chinese and the Russians are hiring people who insist on smoking weed at work.

Re: Apple Letter on iPhone Security Draws Muted Tech Industry Response

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I'm not really surprised that other companies aren't coming out of the woodwork to make themselves targets. It's clear that in the main they will hold similarly strong views to Apple, but any PR worth their salt will not want the CEO of a company not implicated in something as politically charged as this to enter into the discussion. For those who oppose this kind of behaviour by the US Government, it's a relief that…

> I'm not really surprised that other companies aren't coming out of the woodwork to make themselves targets.

Not just targets of bad publicity, but probably lawsuits as well. The Feds don't want the dismantling of the 4th Amendment to be challenged in court and the companies complicit in said dismantling don't want it to hurt the bottom line.

Re: Apple Letter on iPhone Security Draws Muted Tech Industry Response

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Tim Cook is the only one doing the right thing here. Because it was Tim Cook who was dragged into this mess. What if the shooter had an Android phone, rather than an iPhone? I'm sure Lary Page would be penning a similar letter, in that situation.

Hah, that's a laugh. If it were an Android phone, the feds wouldn't have had to call anyone. They'd have just broken the device's security and gotten what they wanted. Only Apple takes security seriously .

This is one of those citations needed statements. I have played with cyanogen with LUKS, luks nuke (a simple password that destroys the keys), firewall and tor without google services. And you can even make yourself a dead man's switch that will erase the keys dd if=/dev/zero - you know the drill if some condition is not met.

The best part - even if google can make custom version of the OS it won't help the least.

It is a tough nut to crack.

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