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China Deploys Missiles on Disputed Island in South China Sea

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Re: China Deploys Missiles on Disputed Island in South China Sea

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Post by leereeves »

ibic wrote: post #16
it_learnses wrote: post #2

Chinese thug of a government needs to be put out of its misery.

How more retarded can a comment be? - From the article, how could you have intelligently drawn the conclusion that "Chinese thug of government"? Off the thin air? The territory, is at most, as described by the western media, "disputed", while in my opinion, it's simply part of China. Comparing this to the shameless invasion of Iraq, by this logic, U.S. is way much much more a "thug" of a government. (No, I'm just ill…

"The US government is a thug" isn't an argument that the Chinese government isn't a thug.

It's quite possible to think they're both thugs.

Re: China Deploys Missiles on Disputed Island in South China Sea

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Post by vinay427 »

stingraycharles wrote: post #12
it_learnses wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not american either.

The internet tells me you're Canadian. That is close enough to have a bias. Look at the world from a different point of view, and you would understand that corruption is everywhere, not just in China. Some people are just better at hiding it.

I don't think you need to look at the US from a different point of view to understand that it has corruption. Just browse comments on one of the more popular Reddit subreddits and the top comments are regularly about politicians supposedly not taking their constituents ' interests to heart.

Re: China Deploys Missiles on Disputed Island in South China Sea

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Post by dogma1138 »

est wrote: post #14

In case anyone did't get the "disputed" part, Vietnam occupies most of South China Sea islands especially in the 70s and 80s around Sino-Vietnam war. China (actually Republic of China) claimed them earliest but didn't occupy.

It's disputed because 3 countries claim ownership of the the island as it's within their "territorial" (with the exception of Taiwan which claims it because it's still pretends to represent "real China") waters.

China pretty much made claim to all of the waters it's claim extends as far as the shore lines of Malaysia.

China also extends it's claim over waters outside of the immediate territorial waters by building artificial islands so far only within the 200 n/M of their exclusive economic zone which it claims extends it's coastal waters even further (this isn't exactly the case for this specific island (it's land mass was artificially extended, and a large harbor was built) but an important background point for the entire dispute).

So far countries have refrained from militarizing the islands too much sure they might post a couple of sailors here and there but this is a long rang air defense system capable of shooting down aircraft as far as 400km away, this is basically an S-300/400 [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-400_(missile)] "copy" with a much more advanced radar and better interceptors by all counts.

Re: China Deploys Missiles on Disputed Island in South China Sea

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Post by sharetea »

It looks like the dictator/autocratic states in Asia (Russia/China) with its economy collapsing, is resorting to territorial aggression against neighboring countries in order to get resources and get people to look away from its collapse. China exports fall 11.2% in January, imports down 18.8% http://www.cnbc.com/2016/02/14/china-releases-trade-data-for.... Russia's ruble collapses to lowest level, with "Inflation reached 12.5% in 2015 while real wages kept dropping, leaving many people much worse off." everhttp://money.cnn.com/2016/01/20/investing/russia-ruble-recor...

With Russia bumping against all of Europe, and China bumping against Japan/Korea/Taiwan/Vietnam/Malaysia/Indonesia/Phillipines, this is going to be bad for world stability.

Re: China Deploys Missiles on Disputed Island in South China Sea

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Post by tomp »

it_learnses wrote: post #4
tomp wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe by the US thug of a government?

The two thugs are not equivalent. And yes. I would have US govt. over Chinese govt. any day.

Right, US treats their own citizens marginally better, but they're pretty much equally thugish with their foreign affairs.

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Post by golergka »

stingraycharles wrote: post #12
it_learnses wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not american either.

The internet tells me you're Canadian. That is close enough to have a bias. Look at the world from a different point of view, and you would understand that corruption is everywhere, not just in China. Some people are just better at hiding it.

> corruption is everywhere, not just in China

If the famous US corruption cases, like Flint, have taught me anything, it's that corruption in US is on much lower level than in countries like Russia or China, and people and media are much, much less tolerant to it.

Basically, Flint scandal could never happen in Russia because no one would ever give a fuck.

Re: China Deploys Missiles on Disputed Island in South China Sea

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Post by varjag »

dogma1138 wrote: post #23
est wrote: post #14

In case anyone did't get the "disputed" part, Vietnam occupies most of South China Sea islands especially in the 70s and 80s around Sino-Vietnam war. China (actually Republic of China) claimed them earliest but didn't occupy.

It's disputed because 3 countries claim ownership of the the island as it's within their "territorial" (with the exception of Taiwan which claims it because it's still pretends to represent "real China") waters. China pretty much made claim to all of the waters it's claim extends as far as the shore lines of Malaysia. China also extends it's claim over waters outside of the immediate territorial waters by building ar…

S-400 long range capability is mostly theoretical, as there's no stock of the 40N6 missile capable of it. Especially doubtful in case of China, given the secondary nature of their missile technology.

Re: China Deploys Missiles on Disputed Island in South China Sea

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Post by quan »

est wrote: post #14

In case anyone did't get the "disputed" part, Vietnam occupies most of South China Sea islands especially in the 70s and 80s around Sino-Vietnam war. China (actually Republic of China) claimed them earliest but didn't occupy.

If you google "nine-dash line", which violates UNCLOS, you'll understand why the ASEAN countries are upset and rightly so. China has visibly flexed their muscle in the region in recent years with building military bases, adding land to underwater islands so they can claim sea territory around them, and attacking fishing boats in disputed region. Some of this happen to dispute with Japan as well. With the economy not going well, I'm afraid this may be the Communist Party's strategy to diffuse tensions at home in order to hold on to power.
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