Huh. I thought this was going to be about the kernel bug which is causing a large amount of zombie processes in container systems at the moment.
Can you elaborate on this?
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#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
Probably because of German censorship of violence in video games? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_gaming_in_Germany
No, it's simply out of date.
Is It? I know someone who used a German credit card of a friend to buy a shooter on steam (some recent AAA title, can't remember), and it completely omitted the nazi-zombie mode he was for some reason looking forward to.
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#23Reminds me of this old comment on "Be Wary Of Geeks Bearing Gifts" ( http://www.forbes.com/sites/ciocentral/2012/04/03/be-wary-of... ) , man that was four years ago. What a trip: " Simon, I respectfully beg to differ. Eucalyptus and CloudStack are merely “zombie projects,” being used tactically by Amazon to achieve its strategic objectives — as Microsoft used similar zombie projects in the 1990′s. Any firm that uses…
That's very interesting in hindsight!
I don't think those so called AWS zombies ever were zombies or made a dent in AWS' adoption or success, it's more like the other way around.
He may have been on to something, but I think Jim just wanted to promote his own "open standards" and company.
Eucalyptus' CEO (Mårten Mickos) moved on to HP Cloud (big Openstack deployment) which closed a year after that because they were not competitive.
HP currently (try to) also sell Eucalyptus to enteprises precisely because of its AWS compatibility, so they're trying to make money off AWS basically.
Rackspace is nowadays also managing AWS for customers, so making money off AWS as well.
Openstack continues to be the under-used and over-developed darling of all big virt players; at least it appears to be building some standards of sorts so there's that.
Cloudstack's users were never big on AWS, in fact the API compat module was almost deprecated and it's now a separate project that gets little attention and usage; along with other 3rd party API implementations.
Cloudstack - as well as other private cloud projects out there, are doing just fine, suiting the needs of it's users and developers who - shockingly! - do not need or want to use AWS or other public providers, enabling them to run their own infra, whether private or public.
My 2 pence.
Disclaimer: Cloudstack community member and committer
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#24Reminds me of this old comment on "Be Wary Of Geeks Bearing Gifts" ( http://www.forbes.com/sites/ciocentral/2012/04/03/be-wary-of... ) , man that was four years ago. What a trip: " Simon, I respectfully beg to differ. Eucalyptus and CloudStack are merely “zombie projects,” being used tactically by Amazon to achieve its strategic objectives — as Microsoft used similar zombie projects in the 1990′s. Any firm that uses…
That's interesting in light of http://www.rackspace.co.uk/managed-aws
Openstack effectively has become a "zombie" project. Four years on, it's (still) an overly complex mess that keeps breaking in inexplicable ways.
The board of directors[0] consists of people that all work for companies that sell turnkey cloud solutions that are very different from the open source Openstack. Up until recently even a VMware (later EMC) employee was there for whatever reason. Yeah, no conflict of interest there.
Openstack on its own is practically unusable unless you have an army of sysadmins ready to challenge the myriad of bugs and complex interaction of components. The only successful open-source deployments I know of is CERN (and possibly NASA) who are tailoring it for their specific use cases through a large engineering effort. If you're a small IT shop or otherwise low on resources, it's not worth the investment, and probably never will be.
Meanwhile companies like Mirantis, HP and Redhat keeps hailing Openstack as a true open source project in the hope that people will install it and come crying to them when it (guaranteed) breaks in multiple, mysterious ways.
Oh, and you have a broken hypervisor? Have fun looping through the MySQL (cluster edition!!) tables and migrate each VM one-by-one with the "nova" command. The "evacuate" button in the (terrible) default web interface does not do what you might expect (if you've ever used a proper virtualization solution).
The combined length of the Nova, Glance, Cinder and Neutron config files are 9451 lines (actually python code). Not including the various ini and JSON files, neutron plugins, and the settings stored in the database.
Source: worked with Openstack for a year, fought dozens of production-breaking bugs and race conditions and still don't have a stable product. About 30% of VMs will just fail during creation in various ways. CERN allegedly just keep retrying until it succeeds..
As many of the other poor souls who threaded the Openstack waters, we are actively exploring alternative solutions. Sadly we already have people using it, so we are forced to support it while figuring out what to do instead.
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#26Reminds me of this old comment on "Be Wary Of Geeks Bearing Gifts" ( http://www.forbes.com/sites/ciocentral/2012/04/03/be-wary-of... ) , man that was four years ago. What a trip: " Simon, I respectfully beg to differ. Eucalyptus and CloudStack are merely “zombie projects,” being used tactically by Amazon to achieve its strategic objectives — as Microsoft used similar zombie projects in the 1990′s. Any firm that uses…
Check out SmartOS and Smart Data Center which powers Joyent's public cloud.
It's completely opensource, like OpenStack but seems to be light years ahead.
Also today I learned about CNCF which is forming to prevent these types of lock in and more.
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#27Huh. I thought this was going to be about the kernel bug which is causing a large amount of zombie processes in container systems at the moment.
Can you elaborate on this?
For about the last 10-ish days there was an aufs bug in the latest supported kernels that caused zombie processes to pile up and chew up CPU.
I don't know how much I can say publicly, but the tl;dr is that it really sucked for my ops and support colleagues.
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#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, it's simply out of date.
Is It? I know someone who used a German credit card of a friend to buy a shooter on steam (some recent AAA title, can't remember), and it completely omitted the nazi-zombie mode he was for some reason looking forward to.
Yes, the media is sometimes censored but not a description of it.