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Re: Ask HN: Should TechCrunch Reveal Who Paid For Posts?

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This kind of bribe is not technically a crime, it's just a violation of journalistic ethics. The way I see it, even if the company had offered the compensation, there's nothing wrong with the company doing everything it can to get itself coverage and press attention. It's on the journalist to uphold their own ethical standards.

When you're approaching a 17 year old I think you have to go easy on them, if he initiated it it is a completely different story.

Edit: and that's accepting as 'read' that this is s.o.p in the blogosphere which I am not yet prepared to believe.

Re: Ask HN: Should TechCrunch Reveal Who Paid For Posts?

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I think this is much more common than you might expect. I don't like the idea of asking for compensation for a favorable mention, however is it all that different from when a company gives away their wares to someone unsolicited? I suspect that most people in that position will have their opinion slightly altered by the act of getting stuff for free. Many bloggers get stuff sent to them by various companies, some kee…

"Can you really trust the product opinion of someone who hasn't put out their hard earned cash to acquire it?" Hm, but in this case, I don't think the item he received as a bribe was the same as what was reviewed. (Otherwise it would be obvious which company it was, as he asked for a MacBook Air.)

I guess we can count that as a real endorsement for Apple though.

Re: Ask HN: Should TechCrunch Reveal Who Paid For Posts?

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I want to add that he wrote a post about my company and product (Rocketbox, http://www.getrocketbox.com ), but ABSOLUTELY NO COMPENSATION CHANGED HANDS. I would think that most of the companies he wrote about are in a similar situation, where they did nothing wrong but their article has also been deleted. It's too bad this happened, I really hope he learns from this experience.

And that is exactly why this is such a bad thing, basically any company the guy ever wrote about is now 'under suspicion', which is why TC should clean up this mess completely.

Re: Ask HN: Should TechCrunch Reveal Who Paid For Posts?

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They didn't bribe him. He asked them for the bribe. We dont know what happened in the past (one prior incident is mentioned) so without knowing the details it's hard to even begin to make a judgement. :)

They did bribe him. There are 2 components for a bribe: One party bringing it up, and one party paying another. If the person with the power brings it up, it's called "Asking for a bribe". If the other party brings it up, it's called "offering a bribe". In either case, the actual paying the money is called bribery (and the act "accepting a bribe"). The offering is only attempted bribery. The companies definitely brib…

Prosecute them for what crime?

Re: Ask HN: Should TechCrunch Reveal Who Paid For Posts?

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I want to add that he wrote a post about my company and product (Rocketbox, http://www.getrocketbox.com ), but ABSOLUTELY NO COMPENSATION CHANGED HANDS. I would think that most of the companies he wrote about are in a similar situation, where they did nothing wrong but their article has also been deleted. It's too bad this happened, I really hope he learns from this experience.

And that is exactly why this is such a bad thing, basically any company the guy ever wrote about is now 'under suspicion', which is why TC should clean up this mess completely.

To be fair I'm not sure that's possible. I doubt any company that bribed him is going to admit it and the kid's dishonest so there's no telling how true what he says is. If Techcrunch posts who they think offered a bribe and are wrong that's even worse (not to mention being liable)

I think Techcrunch has done all they can do by deleting every post this guy wrote

Re: Ask HN: Should TechCrunch Reveal Who Paid For Posts?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

And that is exactly why this is such a bad thing, basically any company the guy ever wrote about is now 'under suspicion', which is why TC should clean up this mess completely.

To be fair I'm not sure that's possible. I doubt any company that bribed him is going to admit it and the kid's dishonest so there's no telling how true what he says is. If Techcrunch posts who they think offered a bribe and are wrong that's even worse (not to mention being liable) I think Techcrunch has done all they can do by deleting every post this guy wrote

Good point, I hadn't thought of that.

But it just feels weird to have that shadow hang over the rest of those companies, they obviously didn't do anything wrong.

Re: Ask HN: Should TechCrunch Reveal Who Paid For Posts?

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Whatever transpired could have been far more subtle than, "gimme macbook, get story". For example:

"So glad to meet you. So happy to be your friend. Is there any way we can help each other out as friends? I love to help people out. I can give slots at my conferences, and I know a lot of bright kids looking for unpaid internships, and oh by the way I do some writing for TechCrunch too. Do I need any help? Well, I always want to hear about good story ideas and meet other interesting people. As my boss Michael Arrington has said, send us scoops and we'll think fondly of you and be more likely to report on you later! Also my side projects are hurting for equipment. You know, Company X gave us a projector when our old one broke. Why, yes, that was the company I wrote about on TC last month."

That is, the behavior could have been on the same continuum of "we know everybody, we trade favors, the old rules of fastidious disclosure of every slight-conflict-of-interest can't possibly work in this new world" that Arrington himself has used to defend his own practices. The companies that did 'pay' may have thought of it as just cementing an important friendship, not an explicit quid-pro-quo. Brusilovsky may have gone too far, but in the ways 17-year olds often do, because they understand only some of the patterns of their role models, without all the subtleties and limits.

That would explain both Brusilovsky's vague 'mistakes were made' and 'a line were crossed' phrasing and TC's reluctance to be more specific in allegations or shaming the favor-traders.

Re: Ask HN: Should TechCrunch Reveal Who Paid For Posts?

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Consumer Reports has no advertising and they buy everything they review. When possible, they test items in blind trials. The magazine is also published by a non-profit. On the other hand, Amazon reviews have been gamed by both consumers and companies (two examples: Spore, Belkin). You can't be sure the people writing reviews actually bought the products they are reviewing. In my eyes Amazon reviews are better than no…

You have a good point regarding CR.

Over the past year we've tracked more than 30,000 published car reviews, including reviews by Consumer Reports as well as 100 other major publications. There is absolutely a correlation between review scores given to vehicles by publications that accept advertising and junkets, and those that do not. Make of that what you will.

Re: Ask HN: Should TechCrunch Reveal Who Paid For Posts?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They did bribe him. There are 2 components for a bribe: One party bringing it up, and one party paying another. If the person with the power brings it up, it's called "Asking for a bribe". If the other party brings it up, it's called "offering a bribe". In either case, the actual paying the money is called bribery (and the act "accepting a bribe"). The offering is only attempted bribery. The companies definitely brib…

Well I was referring to the incident we have been told about: where the company did not resort to bribery. Also I'd point out that really if the way it goes down is "give me a laptop if you want a [good] review" and they pay up that is actually racketeering :)

I actually believe racketeering has an element of something else illegal, ie, gambling or violence.
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