Ask HN: How can I get my hourly rate from $65 to $125 in the next 90 days?
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Re: Ask HN: How can I get my hourly rate from $65 to $125 in the next 90 days?
#22Re: Ask HN: How can I get my hourly rate from $65 to $125 in the next 90 days?
#23This is probably your problem. I had a lot more success finding bigger companies with more money to spend. Or entrepreneurial types who work in the "real world" and were willing to spend hard cash on a web presence too.
A lot of my consultancy work comes through my consultancy partner; it's all Jewish clientele (and they are usually big spenders). We got gigs that, really, and less than 3 month old consultancy shouldn't have got - all because my partner is Jewish.
So you need an "in" to a niche market of clientele.
Re: Ask HN: How can I get my hourly rate from $65 to $125 in the next 90 days?
#24To switch existing customers, just say that due to demand, you're raising your rates. However, for the next x hours of work, since they've been a loyal customer, you will continue at the existing rate. Then on your invoice, do as in the first paragraph! If it's a reasonable increase, I doubt many customers will drop you. And you may want to wait between projects to switch your rate, but the first x hours at the old rate still applies :-)
Good luck!
Re: Ask HN: How can I get my hourly rate from $65 to $125 in the next 90 days?
#25Re: Ask HN: How can I get my hourly rate from $65 to $125 in the next 90 days?
#26I've been a freelance-only web developer for 10 years. Honestly with only general web dev skills and mostly PHP you'll be hard pressed to get over $65/hr. I know Django and I still strike out at getting Django projects pitched at $65/hr. But I think it has mostly to do with the economy. Once you want to cross a certain threshold you need to have more structure in place as a business (with project rates and lots of ti…
I don't think so. The majority of my freelance work is web development, and I bill at least double that - $100 to as much as $300/hr if I can get away with it, and only web development, because I know nothing about design and other things and will freely admit to it. I don't really do anything specialized, I just have a list of former and current clients from the past few years who are all very happy, and nothing fancy there either. New clients are often through word-of-mouth, which I've very much enjoyed as many clients referred to me by a former client that I enjoyed working with are usually a joy to work with as well. Oh, and not so much PHP, but mostly Rails, occasionally weirder stuff (Java, perl!). Note that the hourly rate is not what I usually offer to clients, I give them a project rate based on what they want. People seem to be fine enough paying five figures for a completed project, not so much billed specifically by hours (unless the situation demands such a thing).
The only thing that may make a difference here is that I live in Los Angeles, where there are lots of potential clients, the cost of living is cringe-worthy, and to ask too little is to ask for trouble as a freelancer. I very much doubt my web dev skills could pull in that kind of money in, say, somewhere in Montana. And the very extremes of my rate are extremes. $300/hr, if you want me to pull allnighters to get something done in one week. $100 for those super long projects that just drag on forever and you're not actually doing anything significant..
Anyway, if I had a useful suggestion, it would be to stop looking on sites where most of the projects are ridiculously simplistic or skills are undervalued...like craigslist. I used to eye the local jobs via rss of craigslist's software jobs and such, and ugh, it was all listings like "oh we want 10 years exp with x" and offering some ridiculous pittance at best, and "will trade (your skills) for (my...skills?)" at worst. There's some reasonable contract work to be had on like dice.com, and there is nothing quite like networking with your local community and going from there.
Be assertive about your hourly rate, but not too much. Anyone that isn't coming to the table with a good budget isn't worth working with in the long term, because they're also the same jerks that'll try to weasel their way out of paying for the extra work they want done and such. But you know your skills and your limits, and your clients need to feel that they got their money's worth out of you. Also, keep in mind that charging more than someone else might really does make people think you're worth it. I don't usually get bundled into the "my next door neighbor's kid can do this website for minimum wage" or "what a ripoff" groups, more like the "this person knows what we need and gets it done right and on time and is worth the expense" group. :p
If I lose projects to someone else over the price, so be it. I need to be desperately in need of work to be willing to work on a project while extremely underpaid, and even then I had better still be getting something else in exchange to make it worthwhile. I accept everything from cookies and sushi lunch to some serious credibility gain (i.e. volunteering for a good cause).
Re: Ask HN: How can I get my hourly rate from $65 to $125 in the next 90 days?
#27Some thoughts... Project rates rather than hourly. Get out of the freelancer mindset. You are a small business, not a roving employee. Become a full service shop rather than an hourly component added by someone else. You create more value that way. Maybe even partner with a designer and grow your team as you go. Contract out parts of the project your team doesn't have expertise for. Establish yourself as an authority…
Re: Ask HN: How can I get my hourly rate from $65 to $125 in the next 90 days?
#28Re: Ask HN: How can I get my hourly rate from $65 to $125 in the next 90 days?
#29I've been a freelance-only web developer for 10 years. Honestly with only general web dev skills and mostly PHP you'll be hard pressed to get over $65/hr. I know Django and I still strike out at getting Django projects pitched at $65/hr. But I think it has mostly to do with the economy. Once you want to cross a certain threshold you need to have more structure in place as a business (with project rates and lots of ti…
> But I think it has mostly to do with the economy. I don't think so. The majority of my freelance work is web development, and I bill at least double that - $100 to as much as $300/hr if I can get away with it, and only web development, because I know nothing about design and other things and will freely admit to it. I don't really do anything specialized, I just have a list of former and current clients from the pa…
Here's the thing with project rates - I'm obsessive with clocking time. I clock everything, every second. Sometimes you bid on a project where you say to yourself "oh yea! I'm getting $300/hr for this" but what happens is as it drags on you try to clock less time to justify the rate and just start guesstimating. In reality if you clock meetings, calls, time responding to emails, documentation, research, project planning etc the rate always ends up being much, much lower. Its not just time coding.
Anyhow not saying that's your situation, but I think a lot of people who claim high rates forget about non-production hours when they make their project quotes.
But having Java and Perl skills are definitely more valuable than just PHP... And yes, having established, stable and valuable clients with big $$ over the long term certainly helps.
My personal big issue was that I deliberately dropped all my clients from pre recession times to work on a startup and then had to find new work in 2009, to my dismay discovering that half my old clients either went out of business or couldn't afford me any longer... Keeping relationships up really matters.
Re: Ask HN: How can I get my hourly rate from $65 to $125 in the next 90 days?
#30I've been a freelance-only web developer for 10 years. Honestly with only general web dev skills and mostly PHP you'll be hard pressed to get over $65/hr. I know Django and I still strike out at getting Django projects pitched at $65/hr. But I think it has mostly to do with the economy. Once you want to cross a certain threshold you need to have more structure in place as a business (with project rates and lots of ti…
If you can suck up doing boring backend work for pharmaceutical companies you can ask for much better $$ than working with a seed-level social media startup or a popular blog. There's a tradeoff where your ego lies - in high rates vs putting sexy names in your client roster...