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Alphabet Becomes the Most Valuable Public Company in the World

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Re: Alphabet Becomes the Most Valuable Public Company in the World

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's talking about Market Cap.

Yes, which is basically how much someone would pay to own the company today = discounted expected long-term profits.

Not at all true. Most obvious reason being control premium (which applies to all buyers, but lot of other reasons why price paid by a buyer would be different, for example expected synergies)

Really just share price x shares outstanding - by one valuation method, share price in theory is driven by expected present value of future dividend stream, but even this is also very different from what you said (company's actual cash flow)

Re: Alphabet Becomes the Most Valuable Public Company in the World

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interesting adjective "most valuable." To many that equates to revenue generated, to others profitability. Haven't read this article but starred for later I'm curious to see what it says.

You might just star this thread for later commenting too

The core, at least to me, of his comment was:

"To many that equates to revenue generated, to others profitability"

He happened to add that he would read the article which is why I am guessing as of when I viewed the comment it was heavily downvoted.

The heavy handed downvoting is what I don't like about HN so quick to jump and assume there is no value in the comment. There was. Although I know the definition for sure there are "many" people who would read "most valuable" and not know the true definition. [1]

[1] My point being there is value in the observation of people who aren't clued in to that fact.

Re: Alphabet Becomes the Most Valuable Public Company in the World

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Both tremendous companies. I actually wish Apple would deploy some of its know-how and capabilities a little more broadly. Not everything has to be an immediate $20 billion opportunity.

On the other hand, that product stance helps them avoid Google Reader-type situations.

Re: Alphabet Becomes the Most Valuable Public Company in the World

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Well, abusing their search dominance among other things like making ads indistinguishable from organic results and paid placement on verticals like shopping/hotels etc. was eventually going to pay out.

More details on how Google manipulated search rankings manually to make more money:

From http://www.wsj.com/articles/how-google-skewed-search-results...

>A previously undisclosed report by staffers at the Federal Trade Commission reveals new details about how Google Inc. manipulated search results to favor its own services over rivals’, even when they weren’t most relevant for users.

>In a lengthy investigation, staffers in the FTC’s bureau of competition found evidence that Google boosted its own services for shopping, travel and local businesses by altering its ranking criteria and “scraping” content from other sites. It also deliberately demoted rivals.

>For example, the FTC staff noted that Google presented results from its flight-search tool ahead of other travel sites, even though Google offered fewer flight options. Google’s shopping results were ranked above rival comparison-shopping engines, even though users didn’t click on them at the same rate, the staff found. Many of the ways Google boosted its own results have not been previously disclosed.

>One way Google favored its own results was to change its ranking criteria. Google typically ranks sites based on measures like the number of links that point to a site, or how often users click on the site in search results.

>But Marissa Mayer, who was then a Google vice president, said Google didn’t use click-through rates to determine the ranking for its own specialized-search sites, because they would rank too low, according to the staff report

>Instead, Google would “automatically boost” its own sites for certain specialized searches that otherwise would favor rivals, the FTC found. If a comparison-shopping site was supposed to rank highly, Google Product Search was placed above it. When Yelp was deemed relevant to a user’s search query, Google Local would pop up on top of the results page, the staff wrote.

>Other regulators have found similar practices. European antitrust authorities in 2013 said Google had a different, “specialized” search algorithm for ranking its own content.

>To bolster its own listings, Google sometimes copied, or “scraped,” information from rival sites. According to the FTC report, Google copied Amazon’s rankings of how well products were selling, then used that information to rank its results for product searches. Amazon declined to comment.

>While Google promoted its own results, it sometimes demoted rivals, the FTC staff found. For example, Google compiled a list of comparison-shopping sites and “demoted them from the top 10 web results,” staff wrote. According to the report, Google users in tests didn’t like the changes; only after Google tweaked its search algorithm at least four times, and changed the ranking criteria, did the new results get “slightly positive” feedback, the staff said.

>Google’s efforts paid off, the FTC found. It said Google’s maneuvers reduced Web traffic to rivals, and increased traffic to Google sites.

Re: Alphabet Becomes the Most Valuable Public Company in the World

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Both tremendous companies. I actually wish Apple would deploy some of its know-how and capabilities a little more broadly. Not everything has to be an immediate $20 billion opportunity.

Judging by some of Apple's patents that filter through the USPTO, there are clearly broader applications of those capabilities being studied deep within R&D. Yet the institutional memory of the disastrous, nearly-bankrupting sprawl of the 1990s is certainly at the heart of Apple's resistance to commercialize a lot of the wilder things its researchers and designers come up with.

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Paid clicks up 31% overall, on Google’s own sites, up 40%. That's a bit concerning to me, especially when you consider: a) That growth is outpacing internet traffic growth, and has for many years now. Internet traffic CAGR is 23%[1] b) The shift from desktop to mobile should have the effect of reducing clicks. c) Since some of the growth is video, I would expect a decrease in click growth related to this as well. Vid…

> b) The shift from desktop to mobile should have the effect of reducing clicks. Can you clarify this statement?

If you're an advertiser, you've already seen this. Mobile viewers click on ads less often than desktop viewers.

So, absent any other variables...if mobile traffic is growing faster than desktop traffic, year over year, click growth would slow.

Re: Alphabet Becomes the Most Valuable Public Company in the World

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Paid clicks up 31% overall, on Google’s own sites, up 40%. That's a bit concerning to me, especially when you consider: a) That growth is outpacing internet traffic growth, and has for many years now. Internet traffic CAGR is 23%[1] b) The shift from desktop to mobile should have the effect of reducing clicks. c) Since some of the growth is video, I would expect a decrease in click growth related to this as well. Vid…

Why is any of that concerning? I'm not seeing the link.

I think he is suggesting that it is possible to drive growth in paid clicks by misdirecting organic click intenders to paid clicks.

Of course, one imagines there are many other explanations for growth, too.

Re: Alphabet Becomes the Most Valuable Public Company in the World

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Good time to short Alphabet? I haven't looked yet but I bet their P/E ratio is bubble-ish.

Maybe, maybe not. I doubt there's much upside, but generally mega caps don't have much volatility either...

I wouldn't count on that. Apple seems to have a lot of volatility lately.
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