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Microsoft will donate $1B in cloud services to nonprofits and universities

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Re: Microsoft will donate $1B in cloud services to nonprofits and universities

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This is the same old strategy of giving students discounts which get them accustomed to proprietary products, then marketing to those same students when they graduate. Now it's just adapted for remotely-hosted software.

How many successful startups have actually been built on top on Microsoft software. I know Plenty of Fish is one example, but you just don't hear of that many examples of successful startups built on top of Microsoft's stack. The reason being that paying Microsoft's tax as you scale eats into your profits and your growth.

I'm sure a few here have run across Stack Overflow.

edit: http://highscalability.com/stack-overflow-architecture

Re: Microsoft will donate $1B in cloud services to nonprofits and universities

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Posts like this remind me of the quote in N.N.Taleb's Antifragile book, The mind fights yesterday's war, but the body fights tomorrow's war (in the context of biological systems under stress). Some minds here are fighting a decade old war and no good deed goes unpunished in HN comments.

Look they released their Javascript engine with no JIT compiler for Linux. It's the same Microsoft because they are in it for money and dominance. A leopard can't change its spots. Microsoft will always be the same, no matter what they say. They are simply changing themselves to be more like Google because they know their old strategy does not work in the new world. If anything it's Microsoft which is fighting yester…

To be fair we don't know that they won't port the JIT over eventually. I can't imagine it's a high priority.

Re: Microsoft will donate $1B in cloud services to nonprofits and universities

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How many successful startups have actually been built on top on Microsoft software. I know Plenty of Fish is one example, but you just don't hear of that many examples of successful startups built on top of Microsoft's stack. The reason being that paying Microsoft's tax as you scale eats into your profits and your growth.

MySpace had (has?) an MS stack, and it was called successful at one point.

The point is not that no successful startups have been built on a Microsoft stack. But for every one that has, ten have been built on GNU/Linux.

Re: Microsoft will donate $1B in cloud services to nonprofits and universities

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Look they released their Javascript engine with no JIT compiler for Linux. It's the same Microsoft because they are in it for money and dominance. A leopard can't change its spots. Microsoft will always be the same, no matter what they say. They are simply changing themselves to be more like Google because they know their old strategy does not work in the new world. If anything it's Microsoft which is fighting yester…

To be fair we don't know that they won't port the JIT over eventually. I can't imagine it's a high priority.

And that's all you have to do, just keep saying we're working on it, and turn to the next question. All ways of getting people to use your operating system and your eco-system while keeping the rhetoric of we're open now. And they can't be it's not in their nature. They have a whole lot of business interests which will keep them the same old, same old.

Re: Microsoft will donate $1B in cloud services to nonprofits and universities

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The criticisms here remind me of The Copenhagen Interpretation of Ethics[1]:

> The Copenhagen Interpretation of Ethics says that when you observe or interact with a problem in any way, you can be blamed for it. At the very least, you are to blame for not doing more. Even if you don’t make the problem worse, even if you make it slightly better, the ethical burden of the problem falls on you as soon as you observe it. In particular, if you interact with a problem and benefit from it, you are a complete monster. I don’t subscribe to this school of thought, but it seems pretty popular.

Microsoft is giving away a billion dollars worth of services, yet people are criticizing them for it. There are several reasons why that's unwarranted.

First, universities and non-profits don't have to choose Microsoft. If they think the risks of lock-in or later expenses will outweigh the donated services, they won't pick it. These organizations aren't populated by idiots, and Microsoft makes the terms of their deals clear before any contracts are entered. There's no coercion or trickery.

Second, when it comes to these sorts of discounts, Microsoft is late to the party. AWS gives free stuff to schools and non-profits. Apple has education discounts. People would be outraged if these companies ended these discounts. Yet people are outraged at Microsoft for offering similar discounts. You can't have it both ways.

Third, I seriously doubt that Microsoft is doing this as a purely cynical, profit-seeking move. I can't find any mention of a time limit on the free services. Not in Nadella's announcement. Not in responses to Q&A. Nowhere. There's also the fact that, for the past couple of years, Microsoft has been giving Office 365 away to non-profits and schools. Once they validate your organization (to make sure you're not trying to scam them), they give it away, for free, forever. What's the ulterior motive there? That people might use it, like it, and pay for it at home or at a different job? That's completely unobjectionable.

One last point: People like to accuse companies of predatory discounts, but nobody brings up the opposite. What about the countless free-loaders who use as much of a service as they can without paying, then move on to something else? I've seen people brag about using free servers from Rackspace, AWS, and Azure, with no intention of paying those companies a cent. As soon as the discount runs out, they move on. There is little condemnation of these tactics. If anything, many social circles celebrate them. This is a clear double-standard.

1. http://blog.jaibot.com/the-copenhagen-interpretation-of-ethi...

Re: Microsoft will donate $1B in cloud services to nonprofits and universities

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I suspect this move is somewhat motivated by the "first hit is free" strategy as other commentators have speculated. This is probably secondary, however, to the fact that Azure has been temporarily overbuilt (or, somewhat equivalently, over-contracted). That is, they bought all of this equipment, fewer people than expected are using it, so instead of just dropping the price for their services this seemed more interesting. It also happens to be easier to construe as "evil" than dropping the price would have been, so I'm not sure they'll come out ahead in terms of PR...

Re: Microsoft will donate $1B in cloud services to nonprofits and universities

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Never entirely sure how to take some of these announcements. Prima facie it sounds great and laudable ... but I'm old, and my memory is full of stories of similar-sounding attempts to get youth mindshare with dubious subsidies of gear into schools, and the old classic of $100m to fund HIV research, $400m to fund ways to destroy GNU/Linux. [1] I know - people tell me - it's a whole new Microsoft these days. [1] http:/…

It all depends on what you consider to be more valuable: 3 years worth of a team's effort working with a specific stack, or 3 years worth of free cloud services. My guess is that in the average case it skews heavily in the team effort direction. So then it's a net gain by MSFT. Still, you shouldn't discard charitable efforts if they also happen to be structured to benefit the benefactor.

Re: Microsoft will donate $1B in cloud services to nonprofits and universities

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

MySpace had (has?) an MS stack, and it was called successful at one point.

The point is not that no successful startups have been built on a Microsoft stack. But for every one that has, ten have been built on GNU/Linux.

The Azure credits can be used to run 'GNU/Linux'. A full one fifth of workloads on Azure run Linux.

Re: Microsoft will donate $1B in cloud services to nonprofits and universities

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post #25

The criticisms here remind me of The Copenhagen Interpretation of Ethics[1]: > The Copenhagen Interpretation of Ethics says that when you observe or interact with a problem in any way, you can be blamed for it. At the very least, you are to blame for not doing more. Even if you don’t make the problem worse, even if you make it slightly better, the ethical burden of the problem falls on you as soon as you observe it.…

>> The Copenhagen Interpretation of Ethics says that when you observe or interact with a problem in any way, you can be blamed for it. At the very least, you are to blame for not doing more. Even if you don’t make the problem worse, even if you make it slightly better, the ethical burden of the problem falls on you as soon as you observe it. In particular, if you interact with a problem and benefit from it, you are a complete monster. I don’t subscribe to this school of thought, but it seems pretty popular.

That's well put and explains the furor over Bill Gates' charity work while other immensely rich folks get zero heat for essentially hoarding their wealth like Scrooge McDuck instead.

Re: Microsoft will donate $1B in cloud services to nonprofits and universities

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What cloud service would not have those issues? I think it's a great thing. People already use Azure or some other provider at these institutes (I know my uni does). If Microsoft wants to trade free services for market share, everyone partaking benefits from it -- unlike cigarrets at schools. If you or your institution don't want to partake, don't. I know I won't.

Every cloud service would have, indeed. But there is no reason the support has to be "free" access to cloud resources at all. Why not just donate the money and let the nonprofits choose which cloud to use (or whether to use a cloud at all)?

Because if you give 1 billion dollars away, you are 1 billion less wealthy. If you give away 1 billion dollars worth of Azure credits, you are some much smaller percentage of 1 billion less wealthy, and the recipient is still receiving 1 billion in value.
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