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Why are Brits so obsessed with buying their own homes?

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Re: Why are Brits so obsessed with buying their own homes?

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As a brit born a few years too late for this to be a sensible possibility at all I'm sick and tired of the social pressure from every angle telling me I'm not a real adult until I have a mortgage.

Your response to that should be: "you are not a responsible adult until you are debt free." That is actually one of the secrets to a lower stress longer lasting life IMO.

Renting is just another form of debt, though.

Re: Why are Brits so obsessed with buying their own homes?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your response to that should be: "you are not a responsible adult until you are debt free." That is actually one of the secrets to a lower stress longer lasting life IMO.

There is a stress in renting too. You never know if your landlord might want to change things resulting in a request for you to move out. eg he wants relatives to have the apartment, etc.

This is something that is definitely overlooked in these discussions. I'm in the US, not living in SF or NYC but in a city growing fairly rapidly and closing on a house in a few weeks. I know that my mortgage won't increase (property taxes excluded), and I don't have to worry about a landlord deciding he wants to redevelop the property or just raising the rent enough that I'm forced to move - both of which are happening with regularity in my area.

I don't think home ownership is a decision to be made lightly and I disagree with the idea presented in the article that it should be done to make money, but there are definitely numerous benefits and the idea of a mortgage being somehow evil just because it's debt is extreme. As another commenter mentioned, debt is a tool which can be used poorly or wisely.

Re: Why are Brits so obsessed with buying their own homes?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your response to that should be: "you are not a responsible adult until you are debt free." That is actually one of the secrets to a lower stress longer lasting life IMO.

You're not a responsible adult until you recognize debt is a tool. You can use the tool well or poorly but it is just a tool.

And when private banks provide near-unlimited debt the total cost of the average mortgage will consume all income after paying for food/heating/fuel.

And if we get more productive disposable income will go up and that will feed into land prices.

All the rentier need do is wait.

edit: would love to hear the counter to this from whomever downvoted me - it's a fact that with our system productivity improvements flow into land prices therefore speculating on land sees you capture these gains.

Re: Why are Brits so obsessed with buying their own homes?

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your response to that should be: "you are not a responsible adult until you are debt free." That is actually one of the secrets to a lower stress longer lasting life IMO.

There is a stress in renting too. You never know if your landlord might want to change things resulting in a request for you to move out. eg he wants relatives to have the apartment, etc.

No landlord would want their family renting the place in lieu of real tenants. Real tenants pay, on time. Family likes to take advantage of you (ie. they find excuses to pay less or not at all).

Re: Why are Brits so obsessed with buying their own homes?

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post #12

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Actually, as someone renting several flats in the UK during the last few years I'm still shocked by the lack of rights I have as a tenant. For example, landlords can enter your property by only giving you a 24-hour notice in writing. I have had real state companies entering my flat without prior notice to show it to potential new tenants several times. Other countries in the EU would take these incidents very serious…

Those landlords are breaking the law (and the terms of your tenancy) and I believe you can file a report with the police that will get them into very hot water with their local council -- potentially fined and booted off the register of landlords (which means it'd be an offense for them to let any flats out at all). Source: my sister is a landlord.

And then after doing that you're left without a flat and have to find yet another one, with another landlord or agency who will likely do exactly the same

Re: Why are Brits so obsessed with buying their own homes?

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An Englishman's home is his castle? Maybe it's simply that owning a home lets you do more with than renting one. You can add extensions, remodel much of it, potentially demolish the entire thing and rebuild it, that sort of thing.

It's because we have very poor rental laws offering little protection to tenants. Plus the UK now has 20 years of the only way most people get rich is via land speculation.

It's a totally toxic mix that is killing living standards.

Re: Why are Brits so obsessed with buying their own homes?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your response to that should be: "you are not a responsible adult until you are debt free." That is actually one of the secrets to a lower stress longer lasting life IMO.

Renting is just another form of debt, though.

How so?

Re: Why are Brits so obsessed with buying their own homes?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your response to that should be: "you are not a responsible adult until you are debt free." That is actually one of the secrets to a lower stress longer lasting life IMO.

Relevant: http://i.imgur.com/eIM5o.jpg

Really only works if you willfully ignore the notion of "non-cash assets".

Re: Why are Brits so obsessed with buying their own homes?

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, as someone renting several flats in the UK during the last few years I'm still shocked by the lack of rights I have as a tenant. For example, landlords can enter your property by only giving you a 24-hour notice in writing. I have had real state companies entering my flat without prior notice to show it to potential new tenants several times. Other countries in the EU would take these incidents very serious…

Those landlords are breaking the law (and the terms of your tenancy) and I believe you can file a report with the police that will get them into very hot water with their local council -- potentially fined and booted off the register of landlords (which means it'd be an offense for them to let any flats out at all). Source: my sister is a landlord.

England doesn't have a register of landlords, anyone can let out property.

Re: Why are Brits so obsessed with buying their own homes?

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> My parents rented the family home in Paris for 45 years, and although they did buy a seaside flat and a cottage in the country in the 1970s, their value has only kept pace with inflation American home prices only started rising, in real terms, after WWII [1]. This is driven by people wanting to drive more income to buying land, i.e. treating land as a superior good. Growing government intervention is also a cause.…

> In the long-run, real house prices appreciate at the rate of inflation. Some one should tell this to Canadians. Since the early-mid 2000s, house prices have been rising much quicker than inflation, to the point where people think homes are an 'investment' that will always rise, leading to a massive housing bubble (also propped up by foreign buyers, many of whom are using land to launder money gained through corrupt…

I'm really concerned. Take a look at Vancouver. http://m.realtor.ca/PropertyDetails.aspx?PropertyId=16209292

The thing to remember about that city is that incomes are pretty low (unlike sv)

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