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Facebook submits to the TRAI supporting differential pricing of data [pdf]

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Re: Facebook submits to the TRAI supporting differential pricing of data [pdf]

#24

Would Facebook exist today, if there were a gatekeeper (AOL, Google, Yahoo?) that needed to approve it as a "Basic service", that had exclusive access to a billion users? This Anti-competitive practice is as notorious as the ones MSFT once engaged in at their peak, for which they still get a lot of negative press, decades later.

Facebook would only be a gatekeeper in India if no one else decides to offer a competing service. Google plans to.

nope. then both would be gatekeepers for their own. even if you disagree with this, the carriers are still playing gatekeeper by zero rating services they choose to zero rate.

Re: Facebook submits to the TRAI supporting differential pricing of data [pdf]

#25

Would Facebook exist today, if there were a gatekeeper (AOL, Google, Yahoo?) that needed to approve it as a "Basic service", that had exclusive access to a billion users? This Anti-competitive practice is as notorious as the ones MSFT once engaged in at their peak, for which they still get a lot of negative press, decades later.

Facebook would only be a gatekeeper in India if no one else decides to offer a competing service. Google plans to.

If I am a startup, I should request Facebook and Google to consider my portal as a basic service and allow millions to use it for free and they know of all my traffic all the time.

That's not the internet I know and wouldn't serve anything but the self serving interests of these conglomerates.

Re: Facebook submits to the TRAI supporting differential pricing of data [pdf]

#26

Would Facebook exist today, if there were a gatekeeper (AOL, Google, Yahoo?) that needed to approve it as a "Basic service", that had exclusive access to a billion users? This Anti-competitive practice is as notorious as the ones MSFT once engaged in at their peak, for which they still get a lot of negative press, decades later.

Facebook would only be a gatekeeper in India if no one else decides to offer a competing service. Google plans to.

nope. then both would be gatekeepers for their own. even if you disagree with this, the carriers are still playing gatekeeper by zero rating services they choose to zero rate.

Re: Facebook submits to the TRAI supporting differential pricing of data [pdf]

#27
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It's remarkable that a company that stands strongly in favour of net neutrality in the US is so strongly against it in India. Speak of double standards. So strong against it, they've spent $44 million in ads to tell the public to oppose net neutrality and instead support something they're calling "digital equality", aka free Facebook (and friends) without data charges. Source for $44 million figure: https://twitter.c…

Probably an argument can be made that net-neutrality and zero-rating are different. For example, net-neutrality can include exemptions to free services which grant access to only certain websites. IMO, the bigger problem is differential-pricing, not free stuff. Once, I pay for internet access, I should get access to everything. But any company is allowed to give access to certain websites, free of cost.

Re: Facebook submits to the TRAI supporting differential pricing of data [pdf]

#28

Does anyone know what's in it for Reliance when they offer Free Basics?

Reliance anyway would have had to pay for marketing, and Facebook provides them that.

So they divert their marketing budget to provide some free data to users as free basics.

It's effectively bartering marketing and data costs. Stakes for Facebook in it are high, so I wouldn't be surprised if they even paid for all of the data of the users.

Re: Facebook submits to the TRAI supporting differential pricing of data [pdf]

#29
post #2

It's remarkable that a company that stands strongly in favour of net neutrality in the US is so strongly against it in India. Speak of double standards. So strong against it, they've spent $44 million in ads to tell the public to oppose net neutrality and instead support something they're calling "digital equality", aka free Facebook (and friends) without data charges. Source for $44 million figure: https://twitter.c…

Probably an argument can be made that net-neutrality and zero-rating are different. For example, net-neutrality can include exemptions to free services which grant access to only certain websites. IMO, the bigger problem is differential -pricing, not free stuff. Once, I pay for internet access, I should get access to everything. But any company is allowed to give access to certain websites, free of cost.

The danger lies in that they can offer free access to their own search engine, video sharing site, email, social network, and so on. And then set a really high price for regular traffic, making watching video outside their own video sharing site unrealistic. If you have no other internet providers in your area (or if all two/three of them do this trick) then you effectively don't have a free and open internet anymore.

Re: Facebook submits to the TRAI supporting differential pricing of data [pdf]

#30
I just don't get this. Maybe I haven't read deeply enough, but...

- what is preventing the companies signed on to the Free Basics platform from being accessible in India? is it technical? political?

- what does Free Basics actually provide if not financial support to end users or carriers for now letting people access these sites?

On its face, it looks as is Free Basics is some sort of strong arm technique to get carriers to allow access to particular sites (but are those site actually blocked?) so that Facebook can reap the karma of being the one to spearhead such a change.

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